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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 1878149, member: 289"] RUNS AND BASES 2000 National League Runs Produced Todd Helton COL 243 Jeff Bagwell HOU 237 Jeff Cirillo COL 215 Jeff Kent SF 206 Brian Giles PIT 199 Richard Hilgado HOU 196 Jim Edmonds STL 195 Sammy Sosa CHI 194 Chipper Jones ATL 193 Andruw Jones ATL 190 Bases Produced Todd Helton COL 513 Gary Sheffield LA 488 Sammy Sosa CHI 481 Jeff Bagwell HOU 479 Barry Bonds SF 458 Brian Giles PIT 452 Jeff Kent SF 452 Bobby Abreu PHI 447 Vladimir Guerrero MON 446 Chipper Jones ATL 437 2000 American League Runs Produced Alex Rodriguez SEA 225 Mike Sweeney KC 220 Frank Thomas CHI 215 Carlos Delgado TOR 211 Edgar Martinez SEA 208 Johnny Damon KC 208 Jason Giambi OAK 202 Bernie Williams NY 199 Magglio Ordonez CHI 196 Darin Erstad ANA 196 Bases Produced Carlos Delgado TOR 501 Frank Thomas CHI 477 Jason Giambi OAK 469 Troy Glaus ANA 466 Darin Erstad ANA 458 Alex Rodriguez SEA 451 Johnny Damon KC 435 Edgar Martinez SEA 420 Magglio Ordonez CHI 420 Jim Thome CLE 415 2001 National League Runs Produced Sammy Sosa CHI 242 Todd Helton COL 229 Jeff Bagwell HOU 217 Luis Gonzalez ARI 213 Albert Pujols STL 205 Lance Berkman HOU 202 Shawn Green LA 197 Bobby Abreu PHI 197 Cliff Floyd FLA 195 Barry Bonds SF 193 Bases Produced Barry Bonds SF 601 Sammy Sosa CHI 541 Luis Gonzalez ARI 520 Todd Helton COL 507 Shawn Green LA 462 Bobby Abreu PHI 461 Jeff Bagwell HOU 458 Lance Berkman HOU 457 Chipper Jones ATL 453 Rich Aurilla SF 443 2001 American League Runs Produced Bret Boone SEA 222 Alex Rodriguez TEX 216 Juan Gonzalez TEX 202 Roberto Alomar CLE 193 Jason Giambi OAK 191 Miguel Tejada OAK 189 Ichiro Suzuki SEA 188 Mike Cameron SEA 184 Carlos Beltran KC 183 Magglio Ordonez CHI 179 Bases Produced Alex Rodriguez TEX 486 Jason Giambi OAK 474 Rafael Palmiero TEX 440 Jim Thome CLE 439 Troy Glaus ANA 429 Corey Koskie MIN 424 Roberto Alomar CLE 421 Magglio Ordonez CHI 411 Bret Boone SEA 405 Manny Ramirez BOS 403 2002 National League Runs Produced Albert Pujols STL 211 Lance Berkman HOU 192 Todd Helton COL 188 Shawn Green LA 182 Barry Bonds SF 181 Sammy Sosa CHI 181 Jose Vidro MON 180 Vladimir Guerrero MON 178 Pat Burrell PHI 175 Larry Walker COL 173 Jeff Kent SF 173 Bases Produced Barry Bonds SF 529 Vladimir Guerrero MON 488 Brian Giles PIT 459 Lance Berkman HOU 449 Sammy Sosa CHI 435 Bobby Abreu PHI 433 Shawn Green LA 426 Todd Helton COL 423 Jeff Kent SF 409 Pat Burrell PHI 409 2002 American League Runs Produced Magglio Ordonez CHI 213 Alex Rodriguez TEX 210 Miguel Tejada OAK 205 Jason Giambi NY 201 Nomar Garciaparra BOS 197 Alfonso Soriano NY 191 Carlos Beltran KC 190 Garrett Anderson ANA 187 Bernie Williams NY 185 Derek Jeter NY 181 Bases Produced Alex Rodriguez TEX 485 Jim Thome CLE 448 Jason Giambi NY 446 Alfonso Soriano NY 445 Carlos Beltran KC 425 Magglio Ordonez CHI 412 Bernie Williams NY 393 Nomar Garciaparra BOS 381 Miguel Tejada OAK 381 Carlos Delgado TOR 380 2003 National League Runs Produced Gary Sheffield ATL 219 Todd Helton COL 219 Albert Pujols STL 218 Preston Wilson COL 199 Jim Thome PHI 195 Edgar Renteria STL 183 Chipper Jones ATL 182 Andruw Jones ATL 181 Bobby Abreu PHI 180 Lance Berkman HOU 178 Bases Produced Albert Pujols STL 478 Todd Helton COL 478 Gary Sheffield ATL 452 Barry Bonds SF 447 Jim Thome PHI 442 Richie Sexson MIL 432 Jeff Bagwell HOU 416 Luis Gonzalez ARZ 407 Bobby Abreu PHI 401 Scott Rolen STL 390 2003 American League Runs Produced Carlos Delgado TOR 220 Vernon Wells TOR 202 Nomar Garciaparra BOS 197 Alex Rodriguez NY 195 Bret Boone SEA 193 Manny Ramirez BOS 184 Carlos Lee CHI 182 Miguel Tejada OAK 177 Carlos Beltran KC 176 Hideki Matsui NY 172 Bases Produced Alex Rodriguez TEX 468 Carlos Delgado TOR 447 Manny Ramirez BOS 434 Alfonso Soriano NY 431 Vernon Wells TOR 419 Brett Boone SEA 417 Jason Giambi NY 413 Aubrey Huff TB 408 Frank Thomas CHI 407 Nomar Garciaparra BOS 403 2004 National League Runs Produced Albert Pujols STL 210 Scott Rolen STL 199 Bobby Abreu PHI 193 Vinnie Castella COL 189 Barry Bonds SF 185 J. D. Drew ATL 180 Miguel Cabrera FLA 180 Lance Berkman HOU 180 Todd Helton COL 179 Adrian Beltre LA 177 Bases Produced Barry Bonds SF 541 Bobby Abreu PHI 479 Albert Pujols STL 478 Todd Helton COL 469 Lance Berkman HOU 444 Adam Dunn CIN 437 Adrian Beltre LA 436 Jim Edmunds STL 429 J. D. Drew ATL 425 Moises Alou CHI 406 2004 American League Runs Produced Miguel Tejada BAL 223 Vladimir Guerrero ANA 211 Gary Sheffield NY 202 Johnny Damon BOS 197 Manny Ramirez BOS 195 David Ortiz BOS 192 Michael Young TEX 191 Melvin Mora BAL 188 Hideki Matsui NY 186 Hank Blalock TEX 185 Bases Produced Vladimir Guerrero ANA 433 Manny Ramirez BOS 432 David Ortiz BOS 426 Alex Rodriguez NY 416 Ichiro Suzuki SEA 405 Gary Sheffield NY 403 Miguel Tejada BAL 401 Hideki Matsui NY 396 Johnny Damon BOS 391 Michael Young TEX 389 Cumulative Historical Run Production Top 25 (10 points for finishing 1st, 9 for 2nd etc.) Honus Wagner (1897-1917) 137 Ty Cobb (1905-28) 126 Cap Anson (1871-97) 119 Stan Musial (1941-63) 119 Lou Gehrig (1923-39) 111 Babe Ruth (1914-35) 109 Hank Aaron (1954-76) 105 Willie Mays (1951-73) 100 Sam Crawford (1899-1917) 96 Rogers Hornsby (1915-37) 89 Ted Williams (1939-60) 89 Mel Ott (1926-47) 85 Mickey Mantle (1951-68) 82 Tris Speaker (1907-28) 81 Barry Bonds (1986-2007) 80 Joe Medwick (1932-48) 79 Mike Schmidt (1972-89) 79 Frank Robinson (1956-76) 78 Joe DiMaggio (1936-51) 77 Nap Lajoie (1896-1916) 77 King Kelly (1878-93) 76 Hugh Duffy (1888-1906) 75 Eddie Collins (1906-30) 74 Dan Brouthers (1879-1904) 73 Jimmie Foxx (1925-45) 72 Comment: Barry Bonds is not yet retired as of the end of 2004 but that was his last big year due to injuries and he’s unlikely to gain any more points. Thus he winds up 15th on the list, 57 points behind Honus Wagner. Nobody else cracked the top 25. Jeff Bagwell wound up with 62 points. Frank Thomas is at 61 and not quite done yet: he’ll go on to 2008 and has a couple of good years left. Todd Helton was the most productive run producer in the period 200-2004 with 38 points. Albert Pujols had 34. Cumulative Historical Base Production (same) Barry Bonds(1986-2007) 135 Ty Cobb (1905-28) 129 Hank Aaron (1954-76) 127 Babe Ruth(1914-35) 125 Stan Musial (1941-63) 121 Lou Gehrig (1923-39) 120 Willie Mays(1951-73) 118 Ted Williams(1939-60) 115 Honus Wagner (1897-1917) 112 Tris Speaker(1907-28) 110 Mel Ott (1926-47) 107 Rogers Hornsby (1915-37) 98 Jimmie Foxx (1925-45) 96 Mickey Mantle(1951-68) 96 Ricky Henderson (1979-2003) 94 Mike Schmidt(1972-89) 94 Cap Anson (1871-97) 91 Billy Hamilton (1888-1901) 89 Eddie Collins (1906-30) 89 Harry Stovey1880-93) 88 Sam Crawford (1899-1917) 86 Dan Brouthers (1879-1904) 83 Ed Delahanty (1888-1903) 79 Frank Robinson (1956-76) 79 Carl Yastremski (1961-83) 76 Comment: Wow! Barry Bonds generated 43 of a possible 50 points in base production from 2000-2004 to rise all the way to the top of the standings, passing Mike Schmidt, Rickey Henderson, Mickey Mantle, Jimmie Foxx, Rogers Hornsby, Mel Ott, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb to take 1st place!. This is an incredible achievement 130+ years into a sport, facing greater competition than players of earlier generations. He’s the only player in the top 14 who played after 1976. The next closest player of his generation is Frank Thomas, who has 71 points and could get more after 2004 but won’t get anywhere near Bonds. But he used steroids- and so did many of those players he was competing for those top ten positons. Bonds led the National League in base production no less than 9 times. Why did he do much better in base production than run production, (where he was great but not close to #1)? I think the difference is the walk. Baseball statisticians view the walk as always being a plus for the hitter, yet it’s often used as a weapon by the pitcher- either through intentional walks, (Bonds had 688 in his career- the most in history, including a ridiculous 120 in 2004- and led the NL 12 times) and “careful” walks where they start out pitching to him but refuse to give him anything to hit and he winds up on 1st base anyway. Such a strategy is a sign of great respect, (fear, actually), but it can be effective in preventing bases from turning into runs. [/QUOTE]

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