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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 14320"] i have read the entire thread--its clear to me that ru is the new su rival!!! deny, deny ,deny --it is a fact.many previous threads confirm it!!!!nevertheless---they out recruit us but do not out coach us-----sooner or later talent takes it toal and they have it. as long as shady is the the head coach they will only succeed DESPITE HIM. even he has turned the offense over to the pitt guys. they did well last week and should have won that game. i long for the b.c. and psu rivals--it is what it is,(What does that mean, what is it then?). they out recruit us,attendance is better etc. as i have said many times--su,our coaches and players have done their part --the fans have not. i really do not like bravado, but a win, will do wonders for us on the national landscape,we need that badly---we need local fan support EVEN MORE--- [/QUOTE]