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Here’s my thinking, (if you could call it that), on how to fill out my NCAA sheet this year, using the percentages in my “NCAA Seed Stats” post to streamline the procedure, (which doesn’t say anything about accuracy) and USA Today’s preview section for some details. I just want to get this over quickly. After the first 5 minutes contemplating any match-up, the likelihood that further analysis will improve your pick goes down sharply.

FIRST ROUND

1 seeds vs. 16 seeds: 1 seeds are 124-0 since the tournament went to 64 teams in 1985. You want to be the first guy to pick a 16 seed and be right? Good luck. Even in this year where the 1 seeds have bene beaten 23 times, I’m going with Kansas, Oregon, North Carolina and Virginia. Maybe it’s not heavyweights vs. lightweights but its still light heavyweights vs. lightweights.

2 seeds vs. 15 seeds: Now here you’ve got a history of 7 upsets to back you up if you want to go out on a limb. But you’ve got 117 saws working on that limb. Even if you pick a 15 seed to win, you’ve got a 25% chance that you’re picking the right 15 seeds. I don’t like the odds and so am just writing in Villanova, Oklahoma, Xavier and Michigan State. They actually have fewer losses than the 1 seeds: 22.

3 seeds vs. 14 seeds: I need one upset here. I can close my eyes and picture Buffalo beating Miami in the NFL but not here. I like Miami a lot with a pesky point guard, a shot blocking center and a top player in McClellan. I like them for a good run. Green Bay used to be known for slowball (we beat them 64-59 in ’94), when Dick Bennett, Tony’s father, was there. LInc Darner, (Linc Darner????) moved there this year from Florida Southern, who had won a D2 title with a 36-1 fast-breaking team. They were 6th in the country at 84PPG and were +5 in turnovers and had 10 steals a game. But Texas A&M likes to run, too, and they have more size and depth. They won the SEC regular season and almost won the tournament, too, losing to Kentucky in overtime. They just seem like much the better team. I don’t like running mid-majors to pull off first round upsets: they are better off in lower scoring games. I can’t see Stephen . Austin holding up under West Virginia’s pressure, (after all, he’s only one guy and an old guy at that). I’ll go with Fresno State to best Utah. They’ve won 9 in a row and won a much stronger conference, (the Mountain West) than the other 14 seeds. I’m surprised they are on that line. They use a lot of defensive pressure and Utah lacks depth: Miami, Texas A&M, West Virginia and Fresno State.

4 seeds vs. 13 seeds: I also need an upset here. I get a chance to use the tried and true method of many an office secretary: I know someone who went to Hawaii, specifically my big brother, who is a history professor there and has been hyping the Rainbow Warriors to me all season. US Today notes that they are “one of the best in the country at forcing turnovers” and their opponent, California “”lose(s) the turnover battle more often than not”. A friend of my brothers said the Golden Bears will win if they “bring their ‘A’ game” but that they don’t always do that. I like that one better than Duke losing to a fellow North Carolina team, (Wilmington), or Kentucky, who is coming on strong losing to Stony Brook. Iowa State-Iona is interesting but I’ll stick with Hawaii, Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State.

5 seeds vs. 12 seeds: Also need one upset here. The 12 seeds seems pretty strong. We are always talking about how some of the also-rans in the power conferences would dominate these lesser leagues. These teams did. South Dakota State, Yale, Chattanooga and Arkansas Little-Rock were 106-22 overall, (fewer losses than the 1 seeds), an average of 27-6. In conference they were 57-11, an average of 14-3. Purdue seems like the strongest 5th seed: they have tremendous size and have outscored opponents by 14 points and out rebounded them by 11. I think Maryland is good enough to top South Dakota State. I’m not so sure about Indiana vs. Chattanooga, who used “great team play on offense” to go 29-5. We all saw the Hoosier let Michigan off the hook in the first round of the Big 10 tournament. But these two comments truck me: Baylor “has a tendency to start slowly and get behind and then recover in the second half. It’s a dangerous way to operate in a single elimination tournament. “ Yale has won 17 of 18, almost beat SMU in Dallas and had a huge +11 rebounding margin. They “have potential as a giant killer in March.” I don’t see Baylor as a ”giant” but I think I have my upset right there: Maryland, Yale, Indian, Purdue.

6 seeds vs. 11 seeds: This is the last line where I need just the one upset. Wichita State and Gonzaga are teams that started out highly rate but were side-tracked by injuries and are now starting to play as people expected so they could be dangerous. I’m not impressed with Michigan, a streaky shooting, bad rebounding team, or Tulsa and Vanderbilt, the top choices for the “How did they get in?” crowd. Northern Iowa is interesting, having beaten UNC and Iowa State and won 12 of their last 13. Arizona seems like the strongest 6 seed, being ranked all year and having a run of highly ranked teams. They have three go-to- guys who are averaging over 15 a game. Notre Dame is vulnerable on defense. But I like them over Michigan or Tulsa. Seton Hall is becoming a popular team. They beat Villanova in the Big East final and is “playing exactly how you want to heading into the NCAAs.” Shaka Smart at Texas loves to press and is great on defense but, like VCU are a different team if you can handle their press. UNI, (no, not you and I), has three senior guards and is known for “strong defense and efficient offense”. And they won’t be intimidated by playing power conference team. That’s my upset: Arizona, Northern Iowa, Notre Dame, Seton Hall.

7 seeds vs 10 seeds: I admit I did this one first, for obvious reasons. I need two upsets here. I just don’t think we’re going to lose to Dayton twice in a row in the NCAAs. We were 0 for 10 from the arc against them last time and lost by 2 points. I don’t think that will happen again. They seems to be about as good as they were then. We are arguably worse as that team was a 28-6 team but I don’t think we are playing worse than we were then. That SU team lost 6 of their last 9. This one has lost 5 of 6but came close to beating UNC and Pitt. I also think they are going to respond to what seems to be a second chance at a positive end to the season. I like Gary Payton II to solve VCU’s press- the Rams are a different team when their press gets handled. In the other two games, I think it’s about “When you’re hot you’re hot and when you’re not you’re not. I don’t like ‘hot’ teams to make big NCAA runs and ‘cold’ teams sometimes turn it around in the tournament but for a first round game, I’ll go with the hot team. Wisconsin has recovered from their early season troubles and went 12-6 in the Big Ten. Pitt was 4-7 down the stretch with two of the wins against SU, a ream that they have historically dominated. The Badgers can bang with them. Iowa was also 12-6 in the Big Ten but they started 19-4, (10-1) and lost 6 of 8. Temple was 8-7 (3-2) in the Atlantic 10 and went 13-4, (11-2) after that. I still think Iowa is the best team but I need a second upset and that’s it: Temple, Oregon State, Wisconsin, Syracuse.

8 seeds vs. 9 seeds. I need two upsets here and I think there will be at least that amount as the 8’s have gone 7-1 in the last two years and that’s due to for a turn-around. I like the way Connecticut is playing and their record in the NCAA tournament in recent years is, of course, amazing. They are playing a Colorado team that rebounds well but has trouble playing hard for 40 minutes and holding on leads. The Huskies will play hard for 40 minutes. I love Providence against USC, a team that doesn’t play much defense that lost 5 of their last 7 “largely because of their turnover troubles and their inability to keep tams from scoring from scoring less than 75”. It’s funny: football, the lower scoring sport, seems to be transitioning into an era where you have to outscore people to win while basketball is in an era where defense wins games, the old football mantra. The Friars are “an all-around team that could go deep in the tournament” with “their quick defense that forces the most turnovers in the conference”. Imagine if they still had Chukwu! I see Texas Tech, coached by former national championship coach Tubby Smith against a Butler team that is now a running team but which went 2-7 vs. the tournament field. St. Joseph’s went 27-7 and has two legitimate stars in Isaiah Miles (18PPG) and DeAndre Bembry (17ppg). Cincy plays trough defense but I’ll stick with: Connecticut, St. Joseph’s, Providence and Texas Tech.
 
AFTER THAT

There, I’ve now done more than half the tournament, (32 of 63 games). The percentages say that one of the ten seeds will go to the sweet 16 but the other upsets will go from windshield to bug in the next game. We all know about Villanova’s problems getting out of the first weekend. Temple is a traditional rival from Philadelphia’s Big Five. I don’t think we will beat a tough rebounding team like Michigan State so I’ll go with Temple making it to the Sweet 16. There, that 8 more games: 40 of 63.

Let’s jump to the Final Four. By the percentages I’ll choose two #1’s and a #2 to get to the Final Four. The other team should be a 3 or 4 seed or lower if I want to get adventurous. I really, really like the way Kansas, who has won 14 in a row and North Carolina, who dominated the ACXC tournament, are playing. They are my #’s. We all know Tom Izzo’s record of getting to the Final Four- and beating Virginia. If I choose them as a #2, then my lowest seeded Final Four team comes from the West regional. The #3 team there is Texas A&M and the #4 team is Duke. This isn’t a Final Four caliber Duke teams. Texas A&M- maybe. The West seems to be the weakest regional, so it’s logical that the lowest seeded Final Four teams would come from there. Yale, the #5 team isn’t going to the Final Four. I have Northern Iowa taking down the #6 team, Texas. #7 Oregon State isn’t going to Houston. Neither is #8 St. Joseph’s. The team I really like from that region is #2 seed Oklahoma with the “best backcourt in the country”, including Buddy Hield, probably the best player and a guy who hits big shots. I like them as my #2 seed in the FF> That sends me back to the Midwest regional. According to “the plan”, I’ve got to pick a team seeded below #2. My #3 seed was knocked off by Fresno State, (see above). My number 4 seed, Iowa State, is a 21-11 team that doesn’t play defense. I’m not sure why they are seeded over Purdue a 26-8 team that has dominated with two seven footers and a 6-9 guy up front. They barely lost to Michigan State, 62-66 in the Big Ten finals. They’d won 5 in a row before that and had beaten the Spartans a month ago. They are a #5 seed but should have been a #3-4 seed and I’ll make them my other Final Four team: Kansas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Purdue. That gives me 10 more games predicted: 50 of 63.

Now it’s a matter of filling in the other 10 regional games and then predicting the results of the Final Four.

Arizona-Miami would be a great match-up between two teams who belong in the Sweet 16 but must beat each other to get there. Both teams have “big threes. Arizona has three guys averaging 15PPH: 6-9 Ryan Anderson, who used to play for Boston College (15.5), 6-6 Alonzo Trier (15.0) and 6-3 Gabe York (15.2). Miami has 7-0 shot-blocking center Tonye Jekiri, 6-5 Sheldon McCellan (15.8) and 5-11 point guard Angel Rodriguez Miami has great experience with three seniors and two juniors in their starting line-up. Sean miller had to do a lot of rebudi8ling and used some transfers to do it. They have a 7 footer of their own in Kaleb Tarcewski with similar numbers to Jekiri. They were second in scoring offense and defense in the Pac 10 and were first in rebounding margin. It’s kind of a toss-up but I’ll go with Arizona, who seems like they might have a little more firepower. I’ll pick this in this game and then over Temple but Kansas will beat them in the regional final.

US Today liked wither Cincinnati or St. Joseph’s to upset Oregon in the second round, due to their defense on the one hand and the combo of Miles and Bembry on the other. But Oregon’s a #1 seed for a reason and they have four guys averaging at least 12PPG. I’ll pick them to win this game and also to beat a sub-par Duke team in the Sweet 16. They will then lose to Oklahoma in the regional final.

Indiana-Kentucky would be a battle of great basketball traditions. The schools own 13 national championships. I don’t think either will add to that this year. The Wildcats have been kind of under the radar this year, despite their usual top-tier recruits but they still wound up 26-8 and won the SEC tournament. Ironically, USA today says they have “at times been bullied inside by big teams”. That certainly wouldn’t have happened last year!. Indiana has the guy we wanted inside, Thomas Bryant (we coulda used his 11.5ppg and 5.8rpg compared to Coleman’s 5.1/4.6). they also have Yogi Ferrell, (remember him?) who has matured into a 17ppg, 5.5apg guy and 6-67 Troy Williams who scored 13PPG. I just think the Wildcats are playing better right now. Tyler Ulis is averaging 16.8ppg and 7.2apg. He’s probably the best pure point guard in the country. His backcourt partner, Jamal Murray is one of the best shooting guards, (20.2). You all know about backcourts and NCAA tournament games. I’ll go with Kentucky here and they will be a threat to knock off UNC but I’ll keep the Tar Heels on my sheet.

I love the way Bob Huggins is proving that pressure defense can still work in modern college basketball, (are you watching JB?)But “a team with ballhandlers who can break the press and slow the pace of the game could cause trouble”. Notre Dame has Demetruis Jackson but they don’t’ exactly slow the pace of the game. They have a double-double machine in 6-10 Zach Auguste but the Mountaineers have one, too in 6-9 Devin Williams. I’ll take the Mounties here. I like what I’m reading about Xavier- great depth, led Big East in offensive rebounding, 27 wins. Wisconsin may be improving but I’ll go with Xavier. USA Today lists four of their starters as guards, despite all their rebounding. They might be able to handle that West Virginia pressure. I’ll have them losing to UNC in the regional final.

I see Virginia beating Texas Tech and then losing to Purdue in the Midwest. Michigan State will send Seton Hall home but the boilermakers will win the rubber match against the Spartans and move on to the Final Four. I’ve now predicted 60 of the 63 games with just the big ones to go.

Kansas and Oklahoma have played two great games this year: a 109-106 three overtime classic in Lawrence and a 76-72 game in Norman. Kansas won both and their 12th straight Big 12 title. But the games were so close it only proved that these teams are well-matched and either could win a third game. The Sooner’s have Buddy Hield who three in 46 points in the first game but got held to 24 points on 5 for 15 shooting in the second game, although 18 of those 24 point points came in a big second half comeback. Devonte Graham of Kansas out-scored Hield with 27 points of his own while being the primary defender on Hield. Kansas has an inside scorer in 6-8 Perry Ellis, (16.7ppg) no less than five guys who hit better than 40% of their three point shots. They went out in the second round the alst two years after being a #2 seed each time. Their players will have some special motivation to make a big run this time and I think they will again out-last Hield and his mates.

North Carolina is playing very well because they’ve discovered defense. They still have one Achilles heel: outside shooting. It’s probably that that will matter before they can complete a 6 game run to the title. Purdue is a team that can match or exceed them inside. “Three point shooting is solid, although turnovers can be a problem”. Especially if the game is played at the fast pace the Tar Heels want to play at and they are playing the kind of defense they played in the ACC tournament. I’m guessing here that even if this is the Heel’s off-shooting game, that they will turn the Boliermakers over enough to win it anyway.

But in the final I think they will be out0gunned by a Kansas team that has too much firepower. The Jayhawks will have won 21 games in a row by this point and have the look of a national champion.


So those are my picks. Now I can sit back and see what will really happen.
 
SWC75 Wrote: "I just want to get this over quickly. After the first 5 minutes contemplating any match-up, the likelihood that further analysis will improve your pick goes down sharply."

This as the lead in to the post as it was written... is priceless.

SWC75 you are nothing short of amazing. You have to have one of the best analytical minds on the planet and that has become abundantly clear with the incredible compilations / compendiums we've all be lucky enough to be treated to over the past several years. And the amazing thing is it isn't just quantity... it's quality with quantity!

I salute you!
 
AFTER THAT

There, I’ve now done more than half the tournament, (32 of 63 games). The percentages say that one of the ten seeds will go to the sweet 16 but the other upsets will go from windshield to bug in the next game. We all know about Villanova’s problems getting out of the first weekend. Temple is a traditional rival from Philadelphia’s Big Five. I don’t think we will beat a tough rebounding team like Michigan State so I’ll go with Temple making it to the Sweet 16. There, that 8 more games: 40 of 63.

Let’s jump to the Final Four. By the percentages I’ll choose two #1’s and a #2 to get to the Final Four. The other team should be a 3 or 4 seed or lower if I want to get adventurous. I really, really like the way Kansas, who has won 14 in a row and North Carolina, who dominated the ACXC tournament, are playing. They are my #’s. We all know Tom Izzo’s record of getting to the Final Four- and beating Virginia. If I choose them as a #2, then my lowest seeded Final Four team comes from the West regional. The #3 team there is Texas A&M and the #4 team is Duke. This isn’t a Final Four caliber Duke teams. Texas A&M- maybe. The West seems to be the weakest regional, so it’s logical that the lowest seeded Final Four teams would come from there. Yale, the #5 team isn’t going to the Final Four. I have Northern Iowa taking down the #6 team, Texas. #7 Oregon State isn’t going to Houston. Neither is #8 St. Joseph’s. The team I really like from that region is #2 seed Oklahoma with the “best backcourt in the country”, including Buddy Hield, probably the best player and a guy who hits big shots. I like them as my #2 seed in the FF> That sends me back to the Midwest regional. According to “the plan”, I’ve got to pick a team seeded below #2. My #3 seed was knocked off by Fresno State, (see above). My number 4 seed, Iowa State, is a 21-11 team that doesn’t play defense. I’m not sure why they are seeded over Purdue a 26-8 team that has dominated with two seven footers and a 6-9 guy up front. They barely lost to Michigan State, 62-66 in the Big Ten finals. They’d won 5 in a row before that and had beaten the Spartans a month ago. They are a #5 seed but should have been a #3-4 seed and I’ll make them my other Final Four team: Kansas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Purdue. That gives me 10 more games predicted: 50 of 63.

Now it’s a matter of filling in the other 10 regional games and then predicting the results of the Final Four.

Arizona-Miami would be a great match-up between two teams who belong in the Sweet 16 but must beat each other to get there. Both teams have “big threes. Arizona has three guys averaging 15PPH: 6-9 Ryan Anderson, who used to play for Boston College (15.5), 6-6 Alonzo Trier (15.0) and 6-3 Gabe York (15.2). Miami has 7-0 shot-blocking center Tonye Jekiri, 6-5 Sheldon McCellan (15.8) and 5-11 point guard Angel Rodriguez Miami has great experience with three seniors and two juniors in their starting line-up. Sean miller had to do a lot of rebudi8ling and used some transfers to do it. They have a 7 footer of their own in Kaleb Tarcewski with similar numbers to Jekiri. They were second in scoring offense and defense in the Pac 10 and were first in rebounding margin. It’s kind of a toss-up but I’ll go with Arizona, who seems like they might have a little more firepower. I’ll pick this in this game and then over Temple but Kansas will beat them in the regional final.

US Today liked wither Cincinnati or St. Joseph’s to upset Oregon in the second round, due to their defense on the one hand and the combo of Miles and Bembry on the other. But Oregon’s a #1 seed for a reason and they have four guys averaging at least 12PPG. I’ll pick them to win this game and also to beat a sub-par Duke team in the Sweet 16. They will then lose to Oklahoma in the regional final.

Indiana-Kentucky would be a battle of great basketball traditions. The schools own 13 national championships. I don’t think either will add to that this year. The Wildcats have been kind of under the radar this year, despite their usual top-tier recruits but they still wound up 26-8 and won the SEC tournament. Ironically, USA today says they have “at times been bullied inside by big teams”. That certainly wouldn’t have happened last year!. Indiana has the guy we wanted inside, Thomas Bryant (we coulda used his 11.5ppg and 5.8rpg compared to Coleman’s 5.1/4.6). they also have Yogi Ferrell, (remember him?) who has matured into a 17ppg, 5.5apg guy and 6-67 Troy Williams who scored 13PPG. I just think the Wildcats are playing better right now. Tyler Ulis is averaging 16.8ppg and 7.2apg. He’s probably the best pure point guard in the country. His backcourt partner, Jamal Murray is one of the best shooting guards, (20.2). You all know about backcourts and NCAA tournament games. I’ll go with Kentucky here and they will be a threat to knock off UNC but I’ll keep the Tar Heels on my sheet.

I love the way Bob Huggins is proving that pressure defense can still work in modern college basketball, (are you watching JB?)But “a team with ballhandlers who can break the press and slow the pace of the game could cause trouble”. Notre Dame has Demetruis Jackson but they don’t’ exactly slow the pace of the game. They have a double-double machine in 6-10 Zach Auguste but the Mountaineers have one, too in 6-9 Devin Williams. I’ll take the Mounties here. I like what I’m reading about Xavier- great depth, led Big East in offensive rebounding, 27 wins. Wisconsin may be improving but I’ll go with Xavier. USA Today lists four of their starters as guards, despite all their rebounding. They might be able to handle that West Virginia pressure. I’ll have them losing to UNC in the regional final.

I see Virginia beating Texas Tech and then losing to Purdue in the Midwest. Michigan State will send Seton Hall home but the boilermakers will win the rubber match against the Spartans and move on to the Final Four. I’ve now predicted 60 of the 63 games with just the big ones to go.

Kansas and Oklahoma have played two great games this year: a 109-106 three overtime classic in Lawrence and a 76-72 game in Norman. Kansas won both and their 12th straight Big 12 title. But the games were so close it only proved that these teams are well-matched and either could win a third game. The Sooner’s have Buddy Hield who three in 46 points in the first game but got held to 24 points on 5 for 15 shooting in the second game, although 18 of those 24 point points came in a big second half comeback. Devonte Graham of Kansas out-scored Hield with 27 points of his own while being the primary defender on Hield. Kansas has an inside scorer in 6-8 Perry Ellis, (16.7ppg) no less than five guys who hit better than 40% of their three point shots. They went out in the second round the alst two years after being a #2 seed each time. Their players will have some special motivation to make a big run this time and I think they will again out-last Hield and his mates.

North Carolina is playing very well because they’ve discovered defense. They still have one Achilles heel: outside shooting. It’s probably that that will matter before they can complete a 6 game run to the title. Purdue is a team that can match or exceed them inside. “Three point shooting is solid, although turnovers can be a problem”. Especially if the game is played at the fast pace the Tar Heels want to play at and they are playing the kind of defense they played in the ACC tournament. I’m guessing here that even if this is the Heel’s off-shooting game, that they will turn the Boliermakers over enough to win it anyway.

But in the final I think they will be out0gunned by a Kansas team that has too much firepower. The Jayhawks will have won 21 games in a row by this point and have the look of a national champion.


So those are my picks. Now I can sit back and see what will really happen.
Brilliant! simply Brilliant. You are freaking amazing! I can't wrap my head around your mastery of this stuff. If I was a betting man...tee hee... I would have to bet that my bracket is going to be infinitely better having read through said, above, post.

TY and good luck!
 
Great stuff. I think last year was the first year in awhile that no 12 beat a 5.
 
First Night: I got off to a good start. I was 9-2 when Purdue blew the big lead vs. Little Rock and gave me not only that loss but three future losses since I had the Boilermakers in the Final Four. I was still 11-3 when the final two games went against me: Arizona, who I had going to a regional final, (thus costing me two more future games and then Seton Hall got blown out by a Gonzaga team everybody was predicting they'd beat. I had the Pirates in the Sweet 16 so that was another future loss. So I wound up 11-6 but with 6 future losses so I was really 11-11. (Thank you Arkansas-Little Rock, Wichita State and Gonzaga.)

There were 7 upsets, (the historical average for the entire first round is 8): Two 5's went done, two 6's went down and the 9's got their revenge on the 8's who had been 7-1 the last two years. The 9's won all three games. I'd predicted four upsets on the night and three of them came through: Yale, Connecticut and Providence, who pulled their game out of the fire vs. USC in the final second,.

Right now I'm flying with one engine but still in the air.
 
Second Night: I went 12-4 which, after an 11-5 first night night makes me 23-9, which isn't such a bad record considering there were 13 first round upsets instead of the historical average of 8. The 13 first round upsets tied the record set in 2001, confirming the suspicion created during a flat regular season that this is a wide-open tournament, (Aren't you glad we're in it?) Of the 8 upsets I predicted, 6 of them have come true. Temple lost to Iowa in overtime and Utah handled Fresno State. But the damaging losses were Purdue, Arizona and Michigan State. I have 10 games after the first round that are already losses because the team I predicted to win those games won't be playing in then(West Virginia, Temple and Seton Hall were also in that group). So i'm really 23-19 which isn't all that impressive.

My plane is now a glider.
 
Weekend: After the record 13 first round upsets, the teams that won them went 2-11 and two of them played each other. Those Cinderella teams aren't a horse you want to ride. They usually turn out to be miniature ponies.I went 5-3 on Saturday and 4-4 on Sunday, mostly because of those 13 upsets, since the team I expected to win a second round game wasn't even in it. So I stand at 32-16 but still have 4 games coming up that will be played without the team I expected to win it, so i'm really 32-20.
 
I got two of the Final Four team- UNC and Oklahoma. But my national championship team, Kansas, went down, so I'm cooked. I went 4-4 in the Sweet 16 and 2-2 in the Elite 8 for a record of 38 right and 22 wrong but with two automatic losers in the Final Four so the bets record I could have is 39-24 and that's if the result I least want occurs.

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