Scoring Without a J

[AlaskaSU]

if we could only get a few more points consistently out of Roby it would make such a big difference. He has no J and most of his points come from put backs. Why not show him some alternative mid-range moves? Josh Pace was unstoppable and despite sanguine practice reports he never had a jump shot.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Scoring from Roberson isn't the issue at all when you have him surrounded by 4 guys who can score 20 points. This isn't like recent years where our shooting was god awful. Our shooting is very good comparatively. Defense is the issue, by far, and not going through lulls on offense where it looks like we have never played together before.

Josh pace was one of the more unique players we ever had. Roberson is also much better at rebounding than Josh was, but can't compare anyone to him.

 

[newmexicuse]

Stevie Thompson was the all-time scoring champ wo a shot & he did it at 6'3" !!!

He was a totally unique talent.

As for Robey, it is not that we need scoring from him per se. However, any points he gets are the free "extra" points because most come from either running the floor hard or putbacks of other player's misses. 8 free points a game would just be huge for this team.

 

[Alsacs]

Lydon has been posting more which is great. If only can get him another year it would be great.
Our big guy coach hasn't been developing post moves for our bigs since Rick Jackson left in 2011 outside of Rak's senior year.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Scoring from Roberson isn't the issue at all when you have him surrounded by 4 guys who can score 20 points. This isn't like recent years where our shooting was god awful. Our shooting is very good comparatively. Defense is the issue, by far, and not going through lulls on offense where it looks like we have never played together before.

Josh pace was one of the more unique players we ever had. Roberson is also much better at rebounding than Josh was, but can't compare anyone to him.

All true, but still don't understand why we are using Robey in the pick and roll. Makes no sense at all. Get him out of the way and let the other guys PNR. Or pick and pop.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Scoring from Roberson isn't the issue at all when you have him surrounded by 4 guys who can score 20 points. This isn't like recent years where our shooting was god awful. Our shooting is very good comparatively. Defense is the issue, by far, and not going through lulls on offense where it looks like we have never played together before.

Josh pace was one of the more unique players we ever had. Roberson is also much better at rebounding than Josh was, but can't compare anyone to him.

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. A Robey mid-range game would not preclude better Team D and boarding. He will never be Stevie or Josh, but there is room for improvement even without a reliable jump shot. He should, by now, have alternative ways to score mid-range.

 

[iommi]

Scoring from Roberson isn't the issue at all when you have him surrounded by 4 guys who can score 20 points. This isn't like recent years where our shooting was god awful. Our shooting is very good comparatively. Defense is the issue, by far, and not going through lulls on offense where it looks like we have never played together before.

Josh pace was one of the more unique players we ever had. Roberson is also much better at rebounding than Josh was, but can't compare anyone to him.

The issue with Roberson offensively is that he's no threat to do anything. Teams can sag off him and that clogs up the middle and makes it more difficult to drive. His inability to develop a jumper or dribble effectively hurts our offense. It bogs us down.

 

[iommi]

All true, but still don't understand why we are using Robey in the pick and roll. Makes no sense at all. Get him out of the way and let the other guys PNR. Or pick and pop.

Yep. Makes zero sense. They never have to respect the roll.

 

[JrodCuse]

It just bottles the mind how someone can play basketball this seriously and be so bad at some key aspects of it. Just shoot the damn ball tens of thousands of times until you are halfway decent.

 

[newmexicuse]

It just bottles the mind how someone can play basketball this seriously and be so bad at some key aspects of it. Just shoot the damn ball tens of thousands of times until you are halfway decent.

The most infamous basketball struggle was Wilt at the FT line. There was an ultra-cordinated magnificent athlete that couldn't conquer a relatively basic hoops skill. Robey is what he is - he has what talents he has. Accept him for what he is & play him or don't, but ZERO excuse for Coach to constantly throw him under the bus.

 

[dasher]

if we could only get a few more points consistently out of Roby it would make such a big difference. He has no J and most of his points come from put backs. Why not show him some alternative mid-range moves? Josh Pace was unstoppable and despite sanguine practice reports he never had a jump shot.

My goodness. He can't score on anything but a put back. If Robey was thrown the ball 10 times 10 feet from the hoop with no one in front of him, he would score on about 6 of them. He has a talent of rebounding.

 

[OrangeDW]

if we could only get a few more points consistently out of Roby it would make such a big difference. He has no J and most of his points come from put backs. Why not show him some alternative mid-range moves? Josh Pace was unstoppable and despite sanguine practice reports he never had a jump shot.

I'd say that making those Josh Pace turnaround floaters is a more unique and difficult skill to master than knocking down a jumpshot.

 

[OrangeDW]

It just bottles the mind how someone can play basketball this seriously and be so bad at some key aspects of it. Just shoot the damn ball tens of thousands of times until you are halfway decent.

Not everybody can become a good shooter. It's not just a matter of shooting a lot. That certainly helps, and for those who have a touch that's all it really takes.

If you don't have a touch though? That usually doesn't get a whole lot better.

 

[721Comstock]

Stevie Thompson was the all-time scoring champ wo a shot & he did it at 6'3" !!!

He was a totally unique talent.

As for Robey, it is not that we need scoring from him per se. However, any points he gets are the free "extra" points because most come from either running the floor hard or putbacks of other player's misses. 8 free points a game would just be huge for this team.

THIS.

Stevie Thompson was the very first thing that came to mind when I saw the post title.
You can score a LOT of points if you're amazing finishing around the hoop, and have overworldly ups.
Stevie had no J, and couldn't shoot FT's, but is still one of our all-time scoring leaders.

Robey should have been able to do more of this, but he only ever did so sporadically.

 

[two3zone]

If it was as simple as just "showing him how to do it", my grandmother could have played basketball. There is a lot more involved, some people are just not capable of doing things, Roberson just isn't capable of shooting like Gmac wasn't capable of dunking, Brandon Triche wasn't capable of smiling, and Rutgers isn't capable of not sucking.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If it was as simple as just "showing him how to do it", my grandmother could have played basketball. There is a lot more involved, some people are just not capable of doing things, Roberson just isn't capable of shooting like Gmac wasn't capable of dunking, Brandon Triche wasn't capable of smiling, and Rutgers isn't capable of not sucking.

That's the nicest mean thing I've ever seen said about BT. And for that, you get a like.

You think GMac could touch the rim?

 

[Trueblue25]

Roberson would have 8-14 points a game if we had guards that could penetrate and find the open man. But we don't.

Battle's been sick and no where near 100%, and it's noticeably hurt Roberson's ability to produce and our big men's ability to get open looks down low. Why? Battle's greatly improving at driving and penetrating the D which opens up Roberson/Thompson downlow and Lydon/White in the corners.

 

[OrangeDW]

6'8 athletic guys are a dime a dozen in D-1 college hoops. He doesn't have offensive skills. All this "he should've been able to do" doesn't make much sense to me. The kid came close to averaging a double double last year, and Im hardpressed to see how he was capable of any more. Not sure why people thought he'd have a "breakout" senior year. Best case was always going to be similar numbers to last year, depending on minutes.

He's been a solid role player for us for 3 years. A lot of people loved Ongenaut for his hustle and hardnosed play, and he actually jacked(and almost always missed) 3's. Roberson is way better than Ongenaut was, as a defense and rebound guy that scores off dunks or putbacks and plays his role. I say just respect what he actually is. There's zero reason that he "should" be a better offensive player.

 

[Dave85]

My grandmother used to say to me in a loud Edith Bunker voice, "If you don't have anything nice to say, shut your God dam mouth"

 

[Ajflood12]

Seems that the offense gets stale when both him and Howard get on the floor together. We were hitting shots consistently during the first 8 min of PITT game. Then offense just got out of sync.

 

[SoBeCuse]

if we could only get a few more points consistently out of Roby it would make such a big difference. He has no J and most of his points come from put backs. Why not show him some alternative mid-range moves? Josh Pace was unstoppable and despite sanguine practice reports he never had a jump shot.

Robey is too much of an enigma. Thinking TT if he can stay on the floor. He can make some shots around the basket whereas Robey can't do anything except throw it back out or dribble back out near the 3pt line for a handoff as we stockpile shotclock violations. It's risky business relying on so many perimter J's.

 

[realorange]

Robey is too much of an enigma. Thinking TT if he can stay on the floor. He can make some shots around the basket whereas Robey can't do anything except throw it back out or dribble back out near the 3pt line for a handoff as we stockpile shotclock violations. It's risky business relying on so many perimter J's.

TT Offense good Defense marginal For every 2 baskets TT scores he gives up one.
Roby Offense Marginal Defense very good

Situational at best.

 

[Funk Doc]

If it was as simple as just "showing him how to do it", my grandmother could have played basketball. There is a lot more involved, some people are just not capable of doing things, Roberson just isn't capable of shooting like Gmac wasn't capable of dunking, Brandon Triche wasn't capable of smiling, and Rutgers isn't capable of not sucking.

Guess TT went to the Triche school of smiling!