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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 2004363, member: 652"] Listen he was solid but these diehards make him out to be better than I think he was. I don't get offended if you or others feel differently. I could make points to counter the total defense stat. Our #7 D in 2011 couldn't stop Kansas State which was a 7-5 Big XII team but the stats say it was top 10. That team couldn't stop 6-6 Washington either. When you play Akron, Colgate, Maine and a Big East schedule it inflates your stats. My frustration is Scott Shafer's hiring as HC set us back from the progress made under Marrone. People still think he got a raw deal when his hiring set us back. [/QUOTE]