Seth Davis Cuse #2
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Sullinger will not be healthy for the rest of the season. They are in fact, a one trick pony.
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Seth got some free tatoos out of this.
By that analysis you could put UNC on top because they will be better later, or KY because they are so young and will improve.
BS. Cuse is undefeated and has earned the top spot till they lose. Great thing about CBB is that they play it out at the end anyway.
BS. Cuse is undefeated and has earned the top spot till they lose. Great thing about CBB is that they play it out at the end anyway.
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He's entitled to his choice - it's not completely ridiculous or anything.
I wonder what would happen if someone like Sullinger went out for 10 games with a firm return date? Does he leave them at #1 the entire time even if they drop a few.
I wonder what would happen if someone like Sullinger went out for 10 games with a firm return date? Does he leave them at #1 the entire time even if they drop a few.
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Good point.
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It sort of is ridiculous though. Ohio State beat S. Carolina by 8...a S. Carolina team which has lost to Elon, Tennessee State, and Providence.
we hammered an NC State team on the road...a team with no bad losses..and a good win vs texas..
add to that they have one loss and we have no losses...
davis is essentially ranking teams based on how good he thinks they are, results be damned. if that is how rankings are determinted in CBB...then really there shouldnt be much movement week to week..
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The only thing that matters is who's ranked #1 at the end of the season.
I'm really enjoying the ride NOW, and certainly happy that we've ascended to the top spot and earned a #1 ranking, but these early season rankings don't mean much.
I'll be more impressed if we're in the conversation for a top ranking at the END of the regular season, like we were two years ago.
I'm really enjoying the ride NOW, and certainly happy that we've ascended to the top spot and earned a #1 ranking, but these early season rankings don't mean much.
I'll be more impressed if we're in the conversation for a top ranking at the END of the regular season, like we were two years ago.
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No question the rankings dont really have any significance in terms of impacting things such as seeding for the tourney however if these professionals are going to go about the exercise of ranking the teams, I think they should do it in a manner that has some consistency and reflect reality rather than bias. It's just annoying when you have someone like Davis who is trying to be contrarian. Ohio State in fact in my opinion is not as good as Syracuse, Kentucky, Lousville, or UNC. Davis is wrong if he is going with the "EYE" test or if he is going with the conventional results based method.
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such a hypocrite, wants OSU #1 because they lost without Sullinger, but when Xavier loses without 3 of their starters he drops them from 8 to 15
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Davis is a Duke guy. And OSU--with Sullinger--absolutely laid a smack down of his beloved Blue Devils a couple of weeks ago. We're talking about a 20 point shellacking in a game that the ESPN talking heads [Hubert Davis and Digger--both imbeciles] confidently predicted a Duke win. So I'm not surprised that he has OSU ranked #1--they're front of mind for him.
I'm not arguing against us being #1 right now--we clearly deserve to be, and I hope we keep it rolling so that we're undefeated when we play Marquette at home in a revenge game, and still undefeated when we play Pitt at home a few weeks later. This is shaping up as a special year. I'm just not going to get worked up about rankings in December. I'm WAY more worried about us breaking our subpar NCAA showings these past few seasons.
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Because of our schedule, we will either be the dominant #1 team at the end or way out of the conversation 4 of our last 6 vs UConn and UL (and 5 of last 7 vs ranked teams). We could easily lose 3 - 4 games in the last 2 weeks of the regular season at which point everyone will be screaming doom and Mayan calendar type stuff.
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Yeah our schedule sets up really weird this year. It's totally conceivable that we don't lose until February 11th when we get UConn at the Dome, then 2 days later we go to Louisville. Then we get Rutgers and USF before we end the season with @UConn and Louisville.
FWIW I've seen almost every UConn game this year, they are gonna be tough but nothing we can't handle; Lamb and Napier both have had issues with being consistent scoring the ball; Drummond is so raw, not as bad as Fab last year, but his offense skill set is extremely limited; Boatright is really good, but the dude is probably 160lbs, it'll be interesting to see if he can handle the physicality of the Big East. Outside of those 4, there isn't many scorers on that team (I use that term VERY loosely when referring to Drummond), Kemba made all of them so much better last year. The Cards will be the real issue as we can't seem to beat Pitino since he's gotten there.
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If he was justified in ranking OSU first and Syracuse second last week, then he's justified in doing so after a week in which nothing changed.
There's no bias here, and it's not a one-man poll. This is just one person's informed contribution to the meaningless AP rankings.
There's no bias here, and it's not a one-man poll. This is just one person's informed contribution to the meaningless AP rankings.
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Ohio State has a lower RPI and a weaker SOS to date than Ohio.
Ohio State's RPI is 25, with a SOS of 109.
Syracuse is 2, with a SOS of 14. And Syracuse managed one fewer loss. And that is BEFORE conference play.
It always seems, for one reason or another, there are a small group of national media who just don't buy Syracuse...I dont know if its Boeheim or the zone or the scheduling...but it is a regular occurrence. So I just expect it and accept it.
Ohio State's RPI is 25, with a SOS of 109.
Syracuse is 2, with a SOS of 14. And Syracuse managed one fewer loss. And that is BEFORE conference play.
It always seems, for one reason or another, there are a small group of national media who just don't buy Syracuse...I dont know if its Boeheim or the zone or the scheduling...but it is a regular occurrence. So I just expect it and accept it.
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Probably a combination but scheduling seems to get the most play.
The way I like to think of it is like this -- everyone has a bias. For Davis it may have been seeing OSU absolutely hammer duke. I get that. I always like teams that play well against the cuse and generally end up picking them to go too far in March. And EVERYONE -- me, you, davis ... --- EVERYONE has a bias of one sort or another. Completely and thoroughly objective analysis just doesn't exist.
Another way to think of this is what if the roles were reversed? If you flip rosters (OSU has ours, SU has OSU's), aren't people here saying, "Just give us a healthy Sully and we'll do to OSU what we did to Duke! We'll beat them by 20. What, they're no. 1 b/c they finally left home and beat NC State? NC State blows. ect."
At the end of the day rankings don't matter and, more importantly, there is no defined set of ways for anyone to go by when voting. Getting worked up about it is just pointless.
Could be that we have a history of not only struggling at times in March (no BE Tourney title for like 15 years at one point not too long ago, 3 total final fours, a lot of early exits), but we also have a history of fast starts and struggles in Jan/Feb (the team with Shump and Deshaun was like 19-0 and barely made the tourney; last year; a bunch of great alaska wins, etc.). It's not really for "some" reason -- you could at least make the argument that it's worth waiting a bit into Jan before buying into the cuse.
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My counterpoint to that is...these are not NBA teams...there is so much fluidity in rosters, that really, to compare year to year is fruitless. I guess 1 single year ago may have some value...but even in teams with a large percentage of their rosters unchanged, the development that takes place among these players at this phase in their careers in a single season is remarkable. Look at Fab Melo for instance.
This isnt a gripe. I accept it. We are not a UNC or Kentucky who essentialyl gets the benefit of any doubt. For us, it's usually PROVE THEY CAN, as opposed to PROVE THEY CANT. But again...this is a minority of stubborn writers usually, so it is what it is.
So Sethie chooses to just ignore the UNC loss to UNLV...like it never happened. I'm sure if there was a poll AFTER the title game last year, he would have voted UNC #1 because he felt they were the team with the most talent...actual win/loss performance be damned.
