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Message: [QUOTE="Oráiste, post: 2208962, member: 5974"] in recent years we have had many freshman who have been above average defenders from their first year (and a couple who were excellent) Triche, Keita, Christmas, Grant, Lydon, Battle The 2010 team, which AFAIAC is the best defense I've ever seen from a Syracuse team, had 2 first year players - Triche and Wes I do support the idea that 5th year transfers are a different case because they have more to unlearn (and also because the don't really have a commitment to the team or its philosophy, they are here first and foremost for a final shot to showcase themselves) [/QUOTE]