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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 2209092, member: 40"] I wasn't "arguing" about first year players, I was commenting on 2012 versus 2010 defensively. And the eye test is far from worthless - I think you are misapplying what that KenPom data implies by only looking at the national ranking. The "eye test" tells me that 2010 might have been the highest performing, most balanced offensive team we had during the second golden era you reference. They were well above average defensively, but not elite. The 2012 team excelled defensively, and used defensive pressure, forcing turnovers, and shot blocking to generate easy scoring opportunities in transition that in part masked a generally average half court offense. Interesting to me that those teams are rated similarly in terms of RANKINGS, which obviously do not tell the entire story. The goal obviously not being to just secure a ranking. That 2012 squad was much more formidable defensively than 2010. [/QUOTE]