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Message: [QUOTE="orange79, post: 2424076, member: 159"] Sigh. I'll do it again, With the 'cute formatting' you love so much. [I]I'm on s phone, so I can't do the cute formatting... 1) who could he have hired that was worth anything that wouldn't be getting a promotion (McF) or that he didn't have a personal connection to? And, for the record, I remember zero complaints on this forum about the McF hire. In fact, most people were calling it a great hire due to his recruiting prowess. [/I] 1) It doesn't matter. You unequivocally stated he could only hire friends or people he knew. You don't get the benefit of the doubt this time. Wrong. [I] 2) [B]You've clearly never led an organization[/B]. You can't fire people that just did you a huge favor (i.e. leaving a stable job to work for you) after they hit their KPIs (won a bowl game). Doing so annihilates morale, and it ensures that nobody good will ever work for you. Why would they? That's management 101. Relationships matter in the real world.[/I] You would be wrong. You do what is best for the organization. No matter how painful it is. A very famous Vulcan once said (will say?) "...the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few..." You try to help the impacted parties. But if you favor a few over the entire organization, it never ends well if it's not working out in the first place. Prune the tree when necessary. Maybe they didn't cover that until the upper-level Management courses. [I] 3) There were public talks about his job status w/ the writing clearly on the wall before he was formally fired. [/I] And yet, he wasn't relieved of his duties until there was one game left in the season. Not halfway through. [I] 4) Yes, because great coaches often leave stable jobs to make lateral moves (at best) to jump into tumultuous situations... name one time when that's happened. [/I] I don't even know what this is referring to, but here goes. I have no time to try to prove your statement, but do you really think any coach at any position never ("name one time that happened") moved from, say, a MAC school to the same position in a P5 school? Really? [I] 5) and as stated in an earlier response, it was "disproved" by someone who doesn't believe in pace adjusting, and who can't grasp the concept that pace is a lever, and efficiency is what wins games. [/I] Again, you're moving the goalposts. Actually, you're good at that. Congrats. You said nothing about 'pace', which I find specious in this argument anyway. In terms of what you wrote in the OP, you were wrong. [I] 6) ~2.5 seasons in the ACC w/ a MAC-level coaching staff is a joke. If you don't think so, then you're drinking too much kool-Aid. That's like saying Dino has yet to knock off FSU, and he has a losing record against BC, Pitt, Wake, and NCSU, so he should be fired. [/I] I'm really struggling here with the point you are trying to make. Neither Shafer or HCDB has had 2 and a half seasons in the ACC. The goalposts were moved so far in this one, we can't even see them anymore. [I]7) You are dramatically understating the importance of assistant coaches, and the restrictions that SS had on hiring quality assistants.[/I] I am underestimating nothing. You need good assistants. No-brainer. Along with the deteriorating record and recruiting, there were obviously things the administration saw that told them Shafer was not the answer. I agree with them. You don't. Fine. This Shafer love is somewhat puzzling to me (the Marrone stuff, too). He's been gone for over 2 years. [ATTACH=full]117588[/ATTACH] OK, I'm done here. Knock yourself out. [/QUOTE]

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