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Message: [QUOTE="orangeinjersey, post: 1999437, member: 1961"] I hear you Bam. But again, what is the alternative, dropping down to FCS or Rutgers to "get snaps"? I left SU with 88k in Student loan debt. That will be paid off this year, just about 12 years later. Im throwing a party that day i send the last payment. Do you know how much different my life would be if i had that $500-$800 back in my pocket every month? A lot different. An SU connection got me my first job out of college. I have a very wonderful and fulfilling engineering career at one of the largest firms in the country. They're kids, i get it. They dont know everything. But sometimes they need help in "seeing the big picture". Football is a means to an end, not the end itself. [/QUOTE]