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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 105396, member: 363"] Orange Pa, my outlook for coaches is obviously much shorter term than yours, realistically at major programs you get 3-4 years to prove yourself. Sherman was 25-25 and that will not cut it at a program like ATM, he was probably making close to 2 million a year, he wasn't getting paid that type of money to go 25-25 especially going into the SEC. His team had several second half melt downs this year and lost a few games they absolutely should have won, his time was up in today's game and the firing was more than reasonable. Talent helps but if he needed more talent he certainly had time to get it. Either you are losing because you aren't coaching well enough at that point or you have not recruited well enough, either way, it's on the coach at that point. Same goes for marrone next year [/QUOTE]