Should Gbinije and Cooney be cosidered for top 5 backcourt duos???

[orangefan13]

I think they deserve a look.

*They have a shot at being not only the best guard scoring duo, but also the best defensive and maybe even rebounding guard duo in the acc.

*Both of them were arguably good enough to be our first scoring option last year, gbinije definitely. Both showed consistent one on one skills, and the ability to shoot off the dribble for their first time.

*JB said Cooney took a lot of tough shots and averaged 30% to Gbinijes 39% from three last year. However Gbinije was slightly passive last year while Cooney was a year ahead of him with the three ball. JB also went on to say his tough shots were better shots then the 17% shooting of Kaleb, Patterson, and BJ's easy ones. In fairness, you could give Cooney credit for taking that heat when Gbinije didn't.

*Cooney looks slightly more athletic this year and Gbinije is poised to lead more. Gbinije averaged 17ppg his last 10 games last year, while even slowing down the last 3-4 in a lost season.

*JB is known for taking guys like Triche and Rautins (I really want to add Rick Jackson/Xmas in this mix) and making them more athletic, and great defenders their senior seasons.

*Well roundedness.

*Cosidered. Me and my twitter language.

 

[jdubs30]

Top 5 in the country????

 

[007]

Top 5 in the country????

He must mean in the ACC. The season of overestimating our talent is off to a good start. G is playing out of position at the point due to necessity.

 

[Dave85]

Top 5 in the country????

When I first read your post my brain replaced the word "the" with "which". I'm sure they will be very good. LGO!

 

[two3zone]

Considering G isn't really a legit PG and has never really played more than 30 minutes a game and Cooney hasn't been consistent at all from 3 his entire career I don't know how they could be considered.

 

[wallacecuse]

Considering G isn't really a legit PG and has never really played more than 30 minutes a game and Cooney hasn't been consistent at all from 3 his entire career I don't know how they could be considered.

Actually, G never really played less than 36 mins in any league game last year...non-conf games don't count because starters won't play 40.

 

[OrangeMojo]

nope

 

[two3zone]

Actually, G never really played less than 36 mins in any league game last year...non-conf games don't count because starters won't play 40.

I didn't say how many minutes he played for the season, but the minutes he played at point guard.

 

[orangehomer]

no, we have the oldest slowest backcourt in america

 

[orangefan13]

I didn't say how many minutes he played for the season, but the minutes he played at point guard.

Agree but still.

G will draw 80% of the double teams this year barring Joseph goes off, and even putting him at forward hes going to look to kick it to cooney or Malachi off of them first before back to joseph or Howard to reset the offense. The guy that makes the passes for the buckets in the halfcourt is the point guard. Especially on a team with no mid/low post up threats.

In the past he didn't make those around him all that much better but anyone could throw a entry pass to Xmas to slow it down in isolation. I can almost assure It will be different this year.

Gbinije averaged 4.6 assists per game in a 12 game acc stretch to go along with his 17 points per game the last 10 games. G also went 18 for 35 from three in six games during that stretch. On average that is 3.0 for 5.8.

We saw cooney make the transition to shooting threes off the dribble last year, whos to say Gbinije won't do
the same. Gbinije realistically could shoot 8 straight threes dribbling right on 10 possessions if its cooney is next to him. And I hope he does so to make a statement early on in the season Demetrius Nichols style. Can't leave him undoubled.

He just wasn't ready to bomb last year, I think we will see different this year. Orange madness I believe he made 5 for 7.

On the other hand he makes a great spot up shooter to, even in the corners.

 

[Dave85]

All this talk of G playing PG makes me think of something that happened last season. I'm not sure what game it was but I remember G really struggling playing PG when he was facing a much shorter faster PG. Long PGs at the top of the zone may seemed to make sense defending against 3s but sometimes I think smaller faster PGs may be equally effective and certainly better ball handlers.

 

[Czar]

Hell no.

 

[rrlbees]

Agree but still. G will draw 80% of the double teams this year barring Joseph goes off, and even putting him at forward hes going to look to kick it to cooney or Malachi off of them first before back to joseph or Howard to reset the offense. The guy that makes the passes for the buckets is the point guard. Especially on a team with no mid/low post up threats. In the past he didn't make those around him all that much better but anyone could throw a entry pass to Xmas to slow it down in isolation. I can almost assure It will be different this year. Gbinije averaged 4.6 assists per game in a 12 game acc stretch to go along with his 17 points per game the last 10 games in which he slowed it down the last four games of. Not saying we won't have a few point guards but Hes the guy with the most opportunity to find a open man because he will be doubled. I wouldn't mind him taking 7-8 threes per game this year if that gets it going. Gbinije realistically could shoot 8 straight threes dribbling right on 10 possessions if its cooney is next to him. And I hope he does so to make a statement early on in the season Demetrius Nichols style. Can't leave him undoubled. He just wasn't ready to bomb last year, I think we will see different this year. Orange madness I believe he made 5 for 7. On the other hand he makes a great spot up shooter to, even in the corners.

I don't think we'll see many double teams out front with multiple shooters on the court.

 

[orangefan13]

I don't think we'll see many double teams out front with multiple shooters on the court.

That sounds like good news
Maybe reason for one of Gbinije Cooney or Malachi to try to force their hand with 3-4 straight threes from the same spot :noidea:

Gbinije had 17.7 ppg in a 10 game acc stretch. Shot 39% from three and 46% from the field for the season on top of it. To me outside of better talent around him that gives no acceptable excuse nor viable reason for him to average less then 16.5 this year imo.

 

[RoatanCuse]

Hope Cooney shoots well this year, but defense? I give him a steal or two a game. He knows how to guard the lane, but he does not have enough lateral quickness to stop better ACC guards from blowing by him. Saw three years of this...not a guess.

 

[El Jefe Syr]

They absolutely have the potential, but I don't think Gbinije/Cooney will be our rigid back court even thought they're the starters. Joseph of course will play a lot and has the potential to be a great 6 man. I think Gbinije will play quite a bit of 3 too. Our versatility with the 1-2-3 is awesome this year (next year too it seems).

 

[Brooky03]

All this talk of G playing PG makes me think of something that happened last season. I'm not sure what game it was but I remember G really struggling playing PG when he was facing a much shorter faster PG. Long PGs at the top of the zone may seemed to make sense defending against 3s but sometimes I think smaller faster PGs may be equally effective and certainly better ball handlers.

G will play forward on defense I assume.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

G will play forward on defense I assume.

No, unless he is playing SF.

 

[Brooky03]

Hope Cooney shoots well this year, but defense? I give him a steal or two a game. He knows how to guard the lane, but he does not have enough lateral quickness to stop better ACC guards from blowing by him. Saw three years of this...not a guess.

Cooney gets almost 2 steals per game, which is really really good. He may get beat a few times by quicker guards but it's far from often. Saw three years of this.. not a guess.

 

[Brooky03]

No, unless he is playing SF.

Was this confirmed during media day and I missed it?

 

[Shark58]

top 5?

 

[Dave85]

top 5?

Where do you get this stuff? That's a scary picture!

 

[newmexicuse]

I think they are the #1 backcourt in the country...


for being over-rated by Cuse fans.

 

[RoatanCuse]

Just a question...have Cooney or Gbinje ever received all- ACC honors? First team? Second team? Third team? I honestly do not know.

 

[Shark58]

Where do you get this stuff? That's a scary picture!

once upon a time, I had the 4th best collection of gifs on the internet