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Message: [QUOTE="OttoinGrotto, post: 3829201, member: 297"] To me the conflict is that somewhere along the way, predictive statistics somehow became a substitute for what actually happened, or predictive statistics were misapplied to make an argument that what the numbers say should have happened mattered more than what actually happened. This is overly simplistic, but it's like saying a team had a better season if their pythagorean record was 95 wins but they actually won 85 games, than a team that won 95 games with a pythagorean record of 85. The actual winning is the point. I think baseball has swung too far away and devalues traditional counting stats too much. RBI for example tell a limited story, but you don't win games without getting runners in, and every RBI is an event that actually happened, and actually matters for winning. Imperfect as it may be, it needs to be recognized. I view Ws and Ls similarly. Winning is the point, not projecting wins. [/QUOTE]