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Message: [QUOTE="cuseincincy, post: 4778287, member: 331"] Most QBs aren't doing a 360 spin move 20 yards down field. That's what caused the hit. If he lowers the shoulder to go through the guy for an extra yard or 2 instead there's likely no fumble. It looked bad because of the position Shrader put himself in. Unfortunately we need him doing those things to win most games. His deep passes were off on the sideline go patterns. I don't care what kind of window he's throwing to, passes out of bounds are useless. Villari made 2 nice plays then never saw the ball again except to throw it. He looks like he is ready to contribute more and should have been targeted a few more times. It's like he disappeared after Brown dropped that pass. [/QUOTE]