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Message: [QUOTE="omniorange, post: 2871341, member: 636"] On what basis are we not Top 8 program? Perhaps if we were to value conference season titles, conference tourney titles, regular season wins, ease in which we get into the NCAAs and recruiting rankings higher than TV ratings, actual NCAA results, and attendance? Over the past 7 seasons (11-12 through 17-18) my data mining SMW has found only 10 programs have played in 30 or more regular season/conference tourney games that exceeded 1 million viewers or more. The Top 5 have done it 45 or more times - Kentucky (89, yes 89), Duke (69), North Carolina (61), Michigan State (51) and Kansas (46). If one wonders why I am using the last 7 years it is because the SMW archives are not very good beyond that time frame and obviously this year is not complete. So there is clearly an expected separation of the Top 5, versus the next five which are Michigan (40), Louisville (37), Syracuse (32), Ohio State (31), and Indiana (30). And yes, the Kansas 46 vs the Michigan 40 is a chasm when you take into consideration the Jayhawks are carrying an entire conference on their backs while the Wolverines are getting support from MSU above them and OSU and Indiana in the same grouping as them, and Wisconsin (not on the Top 10 list but on the next level down which has the Badgers, Cavaliers, and Irish separate from the next level down from them). And yes, Kentucky is truly a cut above everyone else because they are doing what KU is doing but at a much higher level. In terms of average ratings of those games SU ranks in actuality 7th, but realistically 8th since KU behind them is hindered by their conference affiliation. In terms of NCAA results over the same 7 year period - SU ties for fifth with Florida just behind Michigan State. And in terms of attendance over that period SU only trails Kentucky. So taking all of that into consideration I personally don't see how we are not a Top 8 program in the country. But that is my view. You may have a perfectly valid different point of view, just wondering what you are basing yours on? Cheers, Neil [/QUOTE]

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