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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 5248521, member: 1969"] I'm not sure if its as high as 15. But the bidding starts at 13 at the lowest and we have to go clean outside of Tennessee... and 13 may very well not be enough. But no point debating in any detail whether its 13, 14 or 15, until the team actually proves it capable of doing that. We can agree the ACC is ass so far, and any ACC team will need a really good record in the ACC to overcome that. [/QUOTE]