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Message: [QUOTE="SU94, post: 3474126, member: 202"] Louisville is up for some serious probation (they've always cheated), as is Arizona and Kansas. I debate you on Ohio State, Michigan, Indiana. All are formidable, but there is no way that all three are > SU. [LIST] [*]OSU has the best "setup" as the lone P5 state school, but historically has performed worse that Michigan and IU. The Buckeyes have made two final fours in the last 55 years (no titles) and run third-fiddle to football and spring football. [*]IU has REALLY struggled this millennium (20+ wins only 7 times the last 17 years) and has to compete in-state with ND and Purdue (both have really really good head coaches). [*]For the last 25 years, Michigan has run second fiddle to MSU, and will, as long as Izzo's around. [/LIST] Again, all three are formidable programs. Likely top 15 in nature. Nothing to sneeze at. But SU is better IMHO, and if not, it is certainly not behind all three. [/QUOTE]