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Message: [QUOTE="phil77, post: 491462, member: 1169"] What does that have to do with Shafer and the program going forward? You make it sound like everything is Roses and nothing is wrong. Shafer can easily be a bust as an HC or be a terrific HC but we do not know yet. So saying he is going to be great and program is going to fine is just a guess. Just the same as saying Shafer is an awful hire and the program is doomed. The roses people dont see the other side and the doom and gloom people can't see the other side either. [/QUOTE]