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Message: [QUOTE="kingtidge, post: 480844, member: 994"] Certainly where $$$ and the disparity where public vs. private institutional funding is concerned. They have apples, we have oranges budgetarily. Since they are not our peers, let's do a quick compare: Syracuse University: [LEFT][FONT=sans-serif][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px]Established March 24, 1870[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-Syracuse_University_Chronology-1'][COLOR=#0b0080][1][/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Type [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_university'][COLOR=#0b0080]Private[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsectarian'][COLOR=#0b0080]Nonsectarian[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-sex_education'][COLOR=#0b0080]Coeducational[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_endowment'][COLOR=#0b0080]Endowment[/COLOR][/URL] $1.01 billion[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-Endowments-2'][COLOR=#0b0080][2][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_(education)'][COLOR=#0b0080]Chancellor[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Cantor'][COLOR=#0b0080]Nancy Cantor[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provost_(education)'][COLOR=#0b0080]Provost[/COLOR][/URL] Eric Spina[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Academic staff 1,513[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-fc-3'][COLOR=#0b0080][3][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Students 20,407[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-facts-4'][COLOR=#0b0080][4][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergraduate_education'][COLOR=#0b0080]Undergraduates[/COLOR][/URL] 14,201[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-facts-4'][COLOR=#0b0080][4][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgraduate_education'][COLOR=#0b0080]Postgraduates[/COLOR][/URL] 6,206[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-facts-4'][COLOR=#0b0080][4][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Location [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse,_New_York'][COLOR=#0b0080]Syracuse[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York'][COLOR=#0b0080]New York[/COLOR][/URL], United States[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Campus Urban, 200 acres[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-IPEDS-5'][COLOR=#0b0080][5][/COLOR][/URL][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University#cite_note-usnbc-6'][COLOR=#0b0080][6][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_colors'][COLOR=#0b0080]Colors[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [CENTER] [/CENTER] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(colour)'][COLOR=#0b0080]Orange[/COLOR][/URL] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Athletics [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_Orange'][COLOR=#0b0080]20 varsity teams[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA'][COLOR=#0b0080]NCAA[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)'][COLOR=#0b0080]Division I[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Conference'][COLOR=#0b0080]Big East[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference'][COLOR=#0b0080]ACC[/COLOR][/URL] (July 1, 2013), [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Hockey_America'][COLOR=#0b0080]CHA[/COLOR][/URL],[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Association_of_Rowing_Colleges'][COLOR=#0b0080]EARC[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] Clemson: [LEFT][FONT=sans-serif][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px]Established 1889[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Type [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_university'][COLOR=#0b0080]Public[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_endowment'][COLOR=#0b0080]Endowment[/COLOR][/URL] $473.7 million ([URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year'][COLOR=#0b0080]FY[/COLOR][/URL] 2011)[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University#cite_note-endowment-1'][COLOR=#0b0080][1][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_president'][COLOR=#0b0080]President[/COLOR][/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Frazier_Barker'][COLOR=#0b0080]James . Barker[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provost_(education)'][COLOR=#0b0080]Provost[/COLOR][/URL] Doris R. "Dori" Helms[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Academic staff 1,398[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University#cite_note-Factbook_faculty-2'][COLOR=#0b0080][2][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergraduate_education'][COLOR=#0b0080]Undergraduates[/COLOR][/URL] 16,562 (Fall 2012)[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University#cite_note-3'][COLOR=#0b0080][3][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgraduate_education'][COLOR=#0b0080]Postgraduates[/COLOR][/URL] [/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]4,206 (Fall 2012)[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University#cite_note-4'][COLOR=#0b0080][4][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Total enrollment = 20,768 (Fall 2012)[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University#cite_note-5'][COLOR=#0b0080][5][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Location [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson,_South_Carolina'][COLOR=#0b0080]Clemson[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina'][COLOR=#0b0080]South Carolina[/COLOR][/URL],[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States'][COLOR=#0b0080]United States[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png[/IMG][URL='http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Clemson_University&params=34_40_42_N_82_50_21_W_region:US_type:edu'][COLOR=#663366]34°40′42″N 82°50′21″W[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [RIGHT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_system'][COLOR=#0b0080]Coordinates[/COLOR][/URL]: [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png[/IMG][URL='http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Clemson_University&params=34_40_42_N_82_50_21_W_region:US_type:edu'][COLOR=#663366]34°40′42″N 82°50′21″W[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/RIGHT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Campus [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural'][COLOR=#0b0080]Rural[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]17,000 acres (6,880 ha)[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Former names Clemson Agricultural College of South Carolina[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif][URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_colors'][COLOR=#0b0080]Colors[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] [CENTER] [/CENTER] [CENTER] [/CENTER] Clemson Orange and Regalia[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemson_University#cite_note-Clemson_Color_Palette-6'][COLOR=#0b0080][6][/COLOR][/URL] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000][SIZE=11px][FONT=sans-serif]Athletics [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)'][COLOR=#0b0080]NCAA Division I[/COLOR][/URL], [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference'][COLOR=#0b0080]Atlantic Coast Conference[/COLOR][/URL] (17 teams)[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][/LEFT] Public vs. private aside, I was very surprised to see that their enrollment size is very similar to ours... I had expected they would be at least twice our size in terms of student head counts... No factual reason why - just thought they were much bigger. [/QUOTE]

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