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Message: [QUOTE="PeteCalvin, post: 93813, member: 439"] Why would this affect Hop and Red? Hop was a player during the latter half of the time period that Davis is talking about. Red was a player after the fact. It's not their program. Unless anyone else saw something and did nothing, which Davis has already said no one saw anything, then I think they are outsiders to this whole thing. I know I have been a staunch JB advocate in this whole ordeal, and this tape does nothing to change my feelings on that. But JB needs to come out now, equally as strong as before, but acknowledging the new information and change his stance. Bernie needs to go. NOW. Cantor and JB have to act. Again, this is not PSU 2, and it needs to be diffused before it mushrooms unnecessarily. [/QUOTE]