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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4384619, member: 5685"] I thought before the season we should beat FSU and still do. ND is awful on O, we really should beat them. Wake is Purdue with no D. If we can beat Purdue we can beat Wake. If it wasn't for our history vs Pitt, they easily would be a toss up. They just lost to GA Tech after all. NC State beating us would be their 2nd best W of the Doeren era. They are a paper tiger. Clemson probably shouldn't be in the toss up category. I will give you that. So where is the generosity? [/QUOTE]