So why would any kid choose to play at Penn State?

[Jasoncuse]

Talking about the bowl ban, loss of scholies, TV ban, etc glosses over the bigger question...why would any kid choose to play at Penn State any time soon? This school doesn't need to be given the death penalty for it to be facing similar implications. I know I wouldn't want to play there, nor would I allow a son to play there, for the foreseeable future. Kids who have been looking there certainly have other options, so what makes that school desirable at this time? I just don't understand the appeal at this point, nor expect it to make sense any time soon...

 

[orange79]

I don't think you appreciate how PSU is ingrained in the psyche and culture in PA. Will they get every kid they used to get? No. But they will still get their fair share of kids who grew up dreaming of putting on the blue and white. That's why it should have been shut down for at least a year.

 

[rocklloyd]

Because "the hottest fire makes the strongest steel"...

I amazed at the comments from some of these recruits.

 

[Orangeyes]

Of the 13 PSU commits, 4 of them had SU offers. All four were three stars:

Brandon Bell 6-2 215 MLB Mays Landing NJ (Committed 6/13/12)

Curtis Cothran 6-5 245 DE/OT Council Rock HS N Newton Pa (Committed 3/26/12)

Ross Douglas 5-11 180 CB/RB Avon HS, Avon, Oh ( Committed 2/29/12)

Andrew Nelson 6-5 265 OT Hershey HS Hershey Pa (Committed 4/15/13)

 

[Faegan]

Because of their high school coaches, parental love of Penn State, or having grown up in the shadow of "the greatness.". One or all of these.

 

[CuseCrew08]

Personally, growing up all I wanted to do was go to SU. My father did what Gordy Gronkowski should have done! When I went to apply to schools, I would have only applied to Syracuse if not for my mother "wanting me to have options".

My point is, if I was a DI football or basketball recruit and sanctions were struck down on SU, it would have been a very tough decision to go anywhere else... I have a feeling most high school football recruits in the state of PA's "dream school" is PSU.

 

[OrangePA]

Talking about the bowl ban, loss of scholies, TV ban, etc glosses over the bigger question...why would any kid choose to play at Penn State any time soon? This school doesn't need to be given the death penalty for it to be facing similar implications. I know I wouldn't want to play there, nor would I allow a son to play there, for the foreseeable future. Kids who have been looking there certainly have other options, so what makes that school desirable at this time? I just don't understand the appeal at this point, nor expect it to make sense any time soon...

Why did kids continue to flock to USC after the NCAA imposed penalties?

If you go to Penn State you will still play before 105K, still play in the Big Ten and still be coached by coaches who will help you get to the next level.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

Why did kids continue to flock to USC after the NCAA imposed penalties?

I think we can all agree that USC's violations were not Penn State's violations. Not even close.

Apples and oranges between PSU & USC when comparing what they did wrong. (pun very much intended)

 

[OrangePA]

I think we can all agree that USC's violations were not Penn State's violations. Not even close.

Apples and oranges between PSU & USC when comparing what they did wrong. (pun very much intended)

The question did not involve a comparison between the violations.

The question involved the ramifications of the penalty.

Despite being banned from post-season and despite losing 10 scholarships per year - and losing I think some wins - USC continued to attract great athletes.

 

[OrangePA]

I think we can all agree that USC's violations were not Penn State's violations. Not even close.

Apples and oranges between PSU & USC when comparing what they did wrong. (pun very much intended)

BTW - What was the pun???

 

[liljoe]

BTW - What was the pun???

Good question...

 

[Whitey23]

@LakenLitman
QB Christian Hackenberg said pre-sanctions he'd stay committed to#PennState "as long as it's not a 4-5 year bowl ban."

 

[Scooch]

We'll see how this plays out over the next 6 months. I expect a lot of kids to reaffirm their commitments now, because who wants the notoriety of being the first to jump the day/week after sanctions are announced. But sometime this fall I'd expect a lot of oral commits to quietly "re-open" their recruitment. And as the season ends I bet more than a few fr/so depart for other programs. It'll be a slow drip, not a flood.

 

[OttosBestFriend]

BTW - What was the pun???

Apples and oranges... This is a Syracuse board, right?

 

[orangecuse]

Why did kids continue to flock to USC after the NCAA imposed penalties?

If you go to Penn State you will still play before 105K, still play in the Big Ten and still be coached by coaches who will help you get to the next level.

I just don't know...I really think this will have an everlasting affect or one that will certainly transcend decades due to the egregious nature of these crimes and persistent emotion that'll always ensue. This was so much larger than a PSU football/sports issue, but lead all the way to the President of the University, an institutional/regime thing. The stigma of being forever linked to a University that enabled crimes of this nature can be compared (imo) to regimes that supported/enabled crimes against humanity, which is what these heinous crimes -to a degree- are on plane with.

I agree with the OP in that why would anyone now, near, or anytime in the distant future, want to be associated with PSU when there are so many other viable options available. No matter how much good PSU has done, will do, etc., there's just no way to ever remove this dark & permanent stain that's now forever branded in PSU's lore.

 

[Stern]

Kids who had parents graduate from there will want to go there as they probably had it hammered in their heads their entire life about the "great penn st". Also kids who have offers from MAC/CUSA/BigEast schools or other lower level type FBS schools might pick Penn St and play in the Big 10 over playing in a lesser conference. Or there might be a few kids who just sit there and think, this team is gonna blow and be awful but if I go there I will shine and be the best player on this team and get all the attention which might help my draft stock for the NFL. Instead of going somewhere else and fight for playing time.

PSU is gonna be bad. They will be really bad inside the Big 10. But they will still get a few good players here or there. Not enough to be any good but a couple will go there. They are gonna be a 3 win team most years with those wins coming off god awful OOC opponents most likely for the near future.

 

[Stern]

Why did kids continue to flock to USC after the NCAA imposed penalties?

If you go to Penn State you will still play before 105K, still play in the Big Ten and still be coached by coaches who will help you get to the next level.

The days of PSU playing in front of 105K might be over with.

 

[rrlbees]

Why did kids continue to flock to USC after the NCAA imposed penalties?

If you go to Penn State you will still play before 105K, still play in the Big Ten and still be coached by coaches who will help you get to the next level.

These are harsher, deeper and longer lasting.

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[Cusefan95]

Why did kids continue to flock to USC after the NCAA imposed penalties?

If you go to Penn State you will still play before 105K, still play in the Big Ten and still be coached by coaches who will help you get to the next level.

I do think there is a difference, not just in the cause of the sanctions but within the two school communities. Cheating is somewhere between tolerated and expected at schools like USC, Alabama, Ohio State, etc. It doesn't hit those fan bases hard when they get slapped on the wrist for paying kids...because that is what they do. Getting caught once in a while is just the cost of doing business.

PSU talked endlessly about "the Penn State way"...they didn't cheat, didn't get probation, graduated their players - who all go to church on Sunday and help old ladies cross the street. Their identity was as the good guys. The Sandusky saga and these sanctions strip Penn State of their identity. The Penn Staters I work with all are extremely proud of having gone there, this has put a big dent in their view of the school.

There will still be plenty of people that will buy tickets for a while (at least until watching the team lose gets old), but this is a major blow to Penn State. The days of getting 105K to their games are rapidly coming to a close - it just may take a couple years.

 

[orange79]

There will still be plenty of people that will buy tickets for a while (at least until watching the team lose gets old), but this is a major blow to Penn State. The days of getting 105K to their games are rapidly coming to a close - it just may take a couple years.

This. I think every game next year will be a sellout. It's after that that the crowds will begin to diminish a little.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

The days of PSU playing in front of 105K might be over with.

Doubtful.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Of the 13 PSU commits, 4 of them had SU offers. All four were three stars:

Brandon Bell 6-2 215 MLB Mays Landing NJ (Committed 6/13/12)

Curtis Cothran 6-5 245 DE/OT Council Rock HS N Newton Pa (Committed 3/26/12)

Ross Douglas 5-11 180 CB/RB Avon HS, Avon, Oh ( Committed 2/29/12)

Andrew Nelson 6-5 265 OT Hershey HS Hershey Pa (Committed 4/15/13)

Cothran goes to the High School our new DE transfer went to (kid from Iowa).

 

[OrangePA]

I guess I see things differently.

I'm probably wrong, but I do not foresee a dramatic drop-off from PSU.

I think this year's team will play well.

And I think the draw of Big Ten competition will allow State to attract talent.

Bowl games in my mind are more and more overrated - especially since the BCS came to be.

 

[llandz]

I think the crowds will still attend the games. Maybe the fan base will even support them more. The problem for the players will be that if they go to Penn. St. they may never play in a bowl game. High school players dream of bowl games. Toward the end of the penalty phase, players will start coming back, because they know they will play in a bowl game Jr. or Sr. year. But right now, it means no bowl game for you college career. And that is what will keep players away.