Some context to judge where this program is this season

[GoSU96]

As noted elsewhere at this time the total offense and total defense rankings for the team are 33rd and 26th.

Since 1989 this program has finished the year ranked 40th or higher in both 5 times.

1989 33rd and 33rd
1992 14th and 41st(close enough)
1996 35th and 10th
1997 15th and 11th
1998 22nd and 27th

SU won 10, 10, 9,9, and 8 games in those seasons.

If the team can sustain that level of performance history says the wins should follow.

 

[orangenauburn]

we underachieved during the McNabb years

 

[Chip]

As noted elsewhere at this time the total offense and total defense rankings for the team are 33rd and 26th.

Since 1989 this program has finished the year ranked 40th or higher in both 5 times.

1989 33rd and 33rd
1992 14th and 41st(close enough)
1996 35th and 10th
1997 15th and 11th
1998 22nd and 27th

SU won 10, 10, 9,9, and 8 games in those seasons.

If the team can sustain that level of performance history says the wins should follow.

Did you mean 1988?

1989 we won 8 games, right?

 

[OrangePA]

we underachieved during the McNabb years

Ugh. Here we go.

We went to the Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowls.

We won a lot of games.

What do think - that we should have won an NC?

Were you at the Orange Bowl that night? Did you see Jevon Kearse smother our OL and Don McNabb?

What would I give for four years of the Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowls starting this year!?

 

[orangenauburn]

Ugh. Here we go.

We went to the Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowls.

We won a lot of games.

What do think - that we should have won an NC?

Were you at the Orange Bowl that night? Did you see Jevon Kearse smother our OL and Don McNabb?

What would I give for four years of the Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowls starting this year!?

Look at the numbers posted, look at the talent we had on the field. The losses we suffered during those years were unacceptable then, and they are now.

 

[otisco]

Look at the numbers posted, look at the talent we had on the field. The losses we suffered during those years were unacceptable then, and they are now.

What is this, 2003? Don't do this to yourself. Nothing to see here.

 

[SmilinBob]

Ugh. Here we go.

We went to the Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowls.

We won a lot of games.

What do think - that we should have won an NC?

Were you at the Orange Bowl that night? Did you see Jevon Kearse smother our OL and Don McNabb?

What would I give for four years of the Gator, Liberty, Fiesta and Orange Bowls starting this year!?

I know I complain a lot of the SOS of the Orange schedules but 98 was absolutely brutal. Switch Tennesse and NCState with two schmucks and SU's 10-2.

 

[JJReddawg]

I know I complain a lot of the SOS of the Orange schedules but 98 was absolutely brutal. Switch Tennesse and NCState with two schmucks and SU's 10-2.

It still kills me that we were one bad pass interference call away from beating Tennessee.

 

[SmilinBob]

It still kills me that we were one bad pass interference call away from beating Tennessee.

I always liked the two high pant calls myself.

 

[All4SU]

I always liked the two high pant calls myself.

Agreed. To this day, still the most bizarre calls ever in the Dome. Never saw that called before or since...and we got hit twice.

 

[TheCusian]

The real failure was the lack of any sustained success post-McNabb. It could have been a stepping stone to being more competitive nationally. Facilities not being upgraded at that point killed us. Coach P and D being stuck in their ways, not growing and learning from trends offensively didn't help.

 

[SWC75]

As noted elsewhere at this time the total offense and total defense rankings for the team are 33rd and 26th.

Since 1989 this program has finished the year ranked 40th or higher in both 5 times.

1989 33rd and 33rd
1992 14th and 41st(close enough)
1996 35th and 10th
1997 15th and 11th
1998 22nd and 27th

SU won 10, 10, 9,9, and 8 games in those seasons.

If the team can sustain that level of performance history says the wins should follow.

Thanks. And you are correct. Our numbers suggest we should be having greater success and give hope for such in the future. (And, as you weren't defending Coach P, attacks on him in this thread are irrelevant). I'd like to ask if you have found a site with the numbers going back that far. If so, it would be fun to have the link.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The real failure was the lack of any sustained success post-McNabb. It could have been a stepping stone to being more competitive nationally. Facilities not being upgraded at that point killed us. Coach P and D being stuck in their ways, not growing and learning from trends offensively didn't help.

VT buying Vick out from under us didn't help.

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[Nick44]

The real failure was the underachievement during the McNabb era.

 

[GoSU96]

Thanks. And you are correct. Our numbers suggest we should be having greater success and give hope for such in the future. (And, as you weren't defending Coach P, attacks on him in this thread are irrelevant). I'd like to ask if you have found a site with the numbers going back that far. If so, it would be fun to have the link.

Back that far? To when?

 

[RF2044]

The real failure was the underachievement during the McNabb era.

I agree with this somewhat. We weren't nearly as good defensively those years as we needed to be, and it always seemed like we lost a game or two every year during that era that we shouldn't have.

Yes, we got to the Fiesta Bowl / Orange Bowl his last two years, so "underachievement" might not be the right descriptive term, but I've often wondered how we'd view McNabb's legacy if Brominski hadn't made that catch.

 

[GoSU96]

The real failure was the underachievement during the McNabb era.

Not really the point of the post.

 

[SWC75]

Back that far? To when?

The 1980's?