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Message: [QUOTE="Orangello, post: 1144790, member: 597"] If we all (or many of us) agree that there remains a serious talent deficiency before we can be Top 25 again, can we get there with this staff and if yes, how do we get there ? I for one just don't see it. We are never going to get the 4 and 5 stars who are recruited by the two biggest competitors in our core recruiting areas, PedSt and ND (IMHO). That means this staff has to be consistently right on the under the radar guys we can get and then has to be able to coach those kids up to a 4 star + level. Incremental improvement over the next two recruiting cycles isn't going to get us there. That just means those classes remain in the 40-50 range. We have gone the JUCO route to an extent with limited success. [/QUOTE]