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Message: [QUOTE="CU44SE, post: 1523290, member: 2196"] Well Saban took a team that had 19 wins over a 4 year period and sanctions I presume (forfeited the year before he took over d/t academic scandal where saban lost 6 scholarships) to 25 wins over the next 4 years so I would say they definitely made progress. Obviously I am unable to perform the eye test on his Michigan State teams. Shafer on the other hand has taken a team that won 25 games the 4 years prior (Marrone took over arguably the worst program in college football who was 10-37 in the previous 4 years) and currently has 13 wins through year number 3. Still a year and 5 games to go but he would have to win 12 of his next 17 games to equal Marines record. [/QUOTE]