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Message: [QUOTE="CusefanATL, post: 1523352, member: 853"] for the love of christ, i am not comparing shafer to saban. NO ONE IS. The only point is dont freaking judge a coach coming in on 2.5 yrs especially when the talent level is arguably better now than it was 2.5 yrs ago. Let him grow his system. You can see it working. the last 2 losses are enormously frustrating - but you can see the difference. Also keep in mind that Shafer dealt with the worst injury season I have ever seen in sports and with a coach who took almost all of his assistants with him. Shafer made 1 awful hire - awful in hindsight, but iirc this board loved getting Mcdonald for the most part. [/QUOTE]