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Message: [QUOTE="OrangePA, post: 133218, member: 204"] I just took a look at the 2011 defensive rankings because you maintain that that decides the value of a unit. The following teams have defenses that are worse than the SU defense based upon the final NCAA Rankings: (1) K-State; (2) Northwestern; (3) Texas A&M; (4) Auburn; (5) Oregon State; (6) Arizona State; (7) Washington; (8) Texas Tech; (9) Oklahoma State and (10) Purdue Just to name a few. I suspect that week to week those teams faced far better offenses than we did this year. I don't think that those rankings mean all that much or at the very least can be misleading. I don't think it's a cooincidence that two defensive coaches are not being retained. And, once again, I think most SU Football fans tend to criticize the offense regardless. I suspect that is because we lay folks think we know more about offense than defense. Okay, Millhouse, it's your turn. Tell me how ignorant I am. [/QUOTE]