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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 3220994, member: 837"] Yeah, the extent to which those schools have hurt us is hard to deny. It's also worth noting that BC went in the tank for a while after the gambling scandal, Rutgers was brutal in the Graber (I think that was his name) era, Pitt was struggling, Temple was an absolute joke and UConn essentially didn't exist (I know they suck now but they hurt us at times when Edsall was doing well with that program). Maryland more or less sucked as well until the Fridge era. So, yeah, it's an uphill battle. [/QUOTE]