Something NcSt did we have seen little of this year

[upperdeck]

They played 5 in the box , daring us to run. first running play of the game. They ran a little stunt with the LE and we didnt handle it well. This is where a run call was made because of the 5 in the box. the Outside LB stays on Pierce and they had safeties over the top of both sides. If you hit this hole it could a huge play.. really not sure Strickland had any place to go, except that if the RT engages the DE instead of completely losing contact he probably could at least move him enough to keep a hole for a decent gain.

I wonder of this is an example of a D baiting the play call. they stunted right to the play call, which makes you think some other blocking scheme needs to be used if you expect this by the D. We have made it clear we run when we have numbers in the box.. this changes though if we run the RB lead with Dungey as the RB to follow. You cant abandon the middle when there is only 5, but what blocking scheme handles what the D did I dont know. Perhaps had we slanted one side?

 

[upperdeck]

We continued down the field on that first drive.. leading to first down at the NCST 45. we pinned the center/NT blocked the DE and pulled LT, LG. This plays looks primed for huge yards. Except the center who has the DT on his left shoulder loses him across his face, the RT and RG who are combo blocking cant turn the DT so while the LG kicks out the DE and the LT, the MLB is left unblocked. Again had the center held his block there is a huge cutback hole. If the combo block is done so they can control the DT then you have a free guy for the LB. The safety is 20 yds down field,

Strength or footwork or both.. These are perfect play calls against what we are seeing by the D and we get almost nothing..

 

[upperdeck]

We follow up this play after the Dungey scramble with the WR messing up the blocking on the bubble screen, then we tried the same play that worked earlier in the drive with forward pitch to the RB , but again while we had numbers the double team block could not control the DT

 

[upperdeck]

and the drive stalls with this play a qb Draw with NC state leaving the middle uncovered.. again it looks like a great call against the D, but the Center who has no one to block does not read the DT stunt coming down and the play fails.. We had 5 on 4 the LT/LG lost the stunt and the Center didnt pick it up.. Is this a failed blocking call assignment or just bad blocking. Even still the RG loses his block but recovers enough that had the tackle been contained Dungey still has tons of room and the Center ends up blocking air, perhaps winning that battle

Again these were mistakes on almost every run that were good calls against what the D was running, these plays have to work since we know we cant run against stacked Ds.. Did they bait us again and run the stunt expecting this call?

 

[sutomcat]

We continued down the field on that first drive.. leading to first down at the NCST 45. we pinned the center/NT blocked the DE and pulled LT, LG. This plays looks primed for huge yards. Except the center who has the DT on his left shoulder loses him across his face, the RT and RG who are combo blocking cant turn the DT so while the LG kicks out the DE and the LT, the MLB is left unblocked. Again had the center held his block there is a huge cutback hole. If the combo block is done so they can control the DT then you have a free guy for the LB. The safety is 20 yds down field,

Strength or footwork or both.. These are perfect play calls against what we are seeing by the D and we get almost nothing..

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Good analysis. I think the guards are struggling some on the running plays but so much of the success of these interior runs falls on the shoulders of the center. Servais is a frosh, he is dealing with some of the best NT/DTs in college football and he is struggling greatly.

I hope he improves. I don't think he is ideally suited to playing center, looks like more of a tackle type to me. I think he will do better when he is moved down the road.

Hope we get some improvement over the second half of the season. It will be fun to see what Sampson can do here in a couple of years, after he learns the offense and has a year and a half of weight training at the college level.

 

[upperdeck]

Someday it would be nice to have that one Oline guy that you can just say we are running behind him every time we need a yd.. Not even sure Pugh as that but it would be nice. And when you have 2 you can trust it frees up so much of the play calling. I wonder too if Sampson will be strong enough to be the guy next yr, but he may have better Technique/footwork which could make the difference

 

[PhatOrange]

They played 5 in the box , daring us to run. first running play of the game. They ran a little stunt with the LE and we didnt handle it well. This is where a run call was made because of the 5 in the box. the Outside LB stays on Pierce and they had safeties over the top of both sides. If you hit this hole it could a huge play.. really not sure Strickland had any place to go, except that if the RT engages the DE instead of completely losing contact he probably could at least move him enough to keep a hole for a decent gain.

I wonder of this is an example of a D baiting the play call. they stunted right to the play call, which makes you think some other blocking scheme needs to be used if you expect this by the D. We have made it clear we run when we have numbers in the box.. this changes though if we run the RB lead with Dungey as the RB to follow. You cant abandon the middle when there is only 5, but what blocking scheme handles what the D did I dont know. Perhaps had we slanted one side?

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imo in the second frame Strickland should recognize he needs to run to the outside right - around the tackle.

 

[TheCusian]

I think Sampson starts at C next season. He’s an early enrolle, I think. And he’s been handling college ready DT’s on the recruiting circuit. He won’t be that good in year 1, but better than what we have now.

 

[orange_in_VA]

I think Sampson starts at C next season. He’s an early enrolle, I think. And he’s been handling college ready DT’s on the recruiting circuit. He won’t be that good in year 1, but better than what we have now.

This +1

 

[blizz]

This is just one missed block on one play. It doesn't fit with the narrative that we have a bunch of crappy running backs. I'm going back over to the thread where everyone is bashing the running backs, they're making way more sense.

 

[upperdeck]

I started the thread because NC st ran 5 in the box which is not something I have seen in the first 5 games from anyone.. We checked to the proper play call and it blew up.. To me the issue is that on that first drive we ran I think 11 plays.. of that 5 runs, 4 of which were poorly blocked and the one WR screen was poorly blocked. The normal pass plays were all blocked well enough for the plays to function. no offense can function if 80% of the running plays have multiple guys not make their blocks and thats the common theme. Some of those plays could be saved by more dynamic RBs for sure, but RBs should not be searching for holes every time.

If teams can get away with 5 in the box and no MLB in the box we will have to become a pass only team.

 

[money3189]

We had 7 players to their 5 in the box. OC's dream for that. We just can't run block yet. It will come. Not this year though

 

[upperdeck]

maybe next time we just all drive block and lead with the RB like millhouse says.. Do it every time we see 5 in the box..

if you went wildcat with Dungey split up top, i am not sure how the D would be forced to react, the safety or the MLB would have to cover him, leaving 4 in the box or ish with no safety help for almost any kind of throw

 

[Chip]

Good analysis. I think the guards are struggling some on the running plays but so much of the success of these interior runs falls on the shoulders of the center. Servais is a frosh, he is dealing with some of the best NT/DTs in college football and he is struggling greatly.

I hope he improves. I don't think he is ideally suited to playing center, looks like more of a tackle type to me. I think he will do better when he is moved down the road.

Hope we get some improvement over the second half of the season. It will be fun to see what Sampson can do here in a couple of years, after he learns the offense and has a year and a half of weight training at the college level.

So what’s the story with Colin Byrne?

He went from playing most of our snaps last year at center, to 6th OL in a group with a young overmatched center.

Did his play last year grade out worse?

 

[bnoro]

So what’s the story with Colin Byrne?

He went from playing most of our snaps last year at center, to 6th OL in a group with a young overmatched center.

Did his play last year grade out worse?

He's not good enough. Was one of our worst OL last season. Would rather give the snaps to a young guy and give him the experience than give them to Byrne at this point. Servais will move to G next year.

 

[CuseOnly]

NC State was stunting the D Line on every play, there was very rarely a straight on rush. Always stunting and twisting and no our OL did not handle it well. Couple that with the level of talent on NC State's DL and our youth on the OL and it isn't a good recipe for running the ball.

 

[money3189]

He's not good enough. Was one of our worst OL last season. Would rather give the snaps to a young guy and give him the experience than give them to Byrne at this point. Servais will move to G next year.

yup, if two redshirt freshman's with no experience out play you then you werent good to begin with.

 

[AAM62]

I think Sampson starts at C next season. He’s an early enrolle, I think. And he’s been handling college ready DT’s on the recruiting circuit. He won’t be that good in year 1, but better than what we have now.

theres a difference between college ready high school seniors and ACC juniors and seniors. As much as I like samson, starting him next year will yield more of the same results. only difference would be more experienced guards flanking him to help.

 

[TheCusian]

theres a difference between college ready high school seniors and ACC juniors and seniors. As much as I like samson, starting him next year will yield more of the same results. only difference would be more experienced guards flanking him to help.

Right. I didn't claim he would be as good as JR/SR in the ACC. I said he's been competing against the best HS SR some of whom will play next season - and winning those battles a lot. He'll be better than Servais (who I like, but is out of position) this season.

Sampson > Any one else on our roster at C next season. Not ideal, but better than what we have now. Plus getting Roberts back and getting the other guys back with a year of experience is no small thing. We'll have a better OL next season, for sure.