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Message: [QUOTE="CaptainJ, post: 2518997, member: 1553"] I like JB, but you make some good points. Maybe someone like SWC75, who enjoys the compilation of numbers that would seem tedious to any regular human, could compile a count of how many of the wins were against cupcakes. "Most" means >50%, so maybe some of the people coming at you in the manner they are might engage you differently if you could at least partially quantify this. For the record, Ive havent read most of the thread yet, and if it's as "civil" as Ive seen so far, I probably wont read much more. I owned a JB t-shirt in the original BE days, yet have no problem agreeing that a large portion of the wins came from cupcakes. I was shocked JB's waistline didnt look more like Bernie's. That doesnt mean he didnt have some great wins against elite teams(as well as close losses). Just adding in my 2 cents and trying to stay fairly neutral and hopefully avoid seeing this thread devolve. [/QUOTE]