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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 2562598, member: 874"] If it involved your collar bone it was separation. If it involved where your arm connects at the shoulder, a dislocation (or maybe subluxation). Separation is what you normally see when a a guy is driven into the turf shoulder first. Dislocation often occurrs with the arm in a certain position and it's forced too far, think a qb throwing and just as his arm is about to transition from backward motion to forward motion it is forced to continue rotating backward more than it should. [/QUOTE]