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Message: [QUOTE="OttoinGrotto, post: 3233425, member: 297"] I hated the Snoke character. I know people say that there's always a mentor/mentee relationship in these things, but with the empire defeated I think it would have been so much more interesting to have Kylo Ren as this dude that turned on his own, that's completely reckless and off the rails trying to figure stuff by himself using whatever he thinks it is his hero Vader would be doing, and despite all that sloppiness it's actually working because other people are following it because they do see his power. Obviously that's not at all how they did it, but I hate the lingering, mysterious big bad that's a puppeteer. It's played out, y'all. [/QUOTE]