Steals, blocks & dunks

[hoopsupstate]

I wonder for all our stat guys, if this year has the fewest dunks, steals and dunks of any year at SU? I can’t remember a year with as few steals as this year. Blocks too. When was the last time we actually had a freak athlete who played above the rim. It seems like forever.

 

[RF2044]

Interesting question.

If nothing else, I'd expect that steals / blocks would be WAY down, given how porous we are defensively.

 

[Brooky03]

I ‘member when Cuse basketball was ‘we are bigger and more athletic and we’ll see you at the rim.’ As a kid, watching McNeil get 5 fouls in 4 minutes and send 3 shots into the stands was nirvana. Watching guys drive baseline to the rim, knowing the weak side forward was crashing down and ready to catch a body was euphoria. Hell, remember what fastbreak alley-oops used to look like? I don’t think I’ve seen one of those since the Obama administration.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Bottom three Syracuse teams in blocks (total)
1) 24-25 (69) [nice]
2) 82-83 (85)
3) 83-84 (94)

Best team: 11-12 (255), ranked 2nd in the country. Fab led with 88 by himself and Rak, Keita, and Southy had 30+ each.

Bottom three Syracuse teams in steals (total)
1) 24-25 (125)
2) 75-76 (222)
3) 20-21 (227)

Best team: 01-02 (394)

Not sure about dunks, those aren't well tracked. But 2Ps made is probably a good stand-in:
Bottom three Syracuse teams in 2PM (total)
1) 20-21 (506)
2) 18-19 (534)
3) 24-25 (547)

Best team: 88-89 (1,191)

 

[AcAndAc]

Bottom three Syracuse teams in blocks (total)
1) 24-25 (69) [nice]
2) 82-83 (85)
3) 83-84 (94)

Best team: 11-12 (255), ranked 2nd in the country. Fab led with 88 by himself and Rak, Keita, and Southy had 30+ each.

Bottom three Syracuse teams in steals (total)
1) 24-25 (125)
2) 75-76 (222)
3) 20-21 (227)

Best team: 01-02 (394)

Not sure about dunks, those aren't well tracked. But 2Ps made is probably a good stand-in:
Bottom three Syracuse teams in 2PM (total)
1) 20-21 (506)
2) 18-19 (534)
3) 24-25 (547)

Best team: 88-89 (1,191)

But, hey, at least we are not frustrating other teams by playing that outdated 2-3 zone.

 

[Scooch]

Bottom three Syracuse teams in blocks (total)
1) 24-25 (69) [nice]
2) 82-83 (85)
3) 83-84 (94)

Best team: 11-12 (255), ranked 2nd in the country. Fab led with 88 by himself and Rak, Keita, and Southy had 30+ each.

Bottom three Syracuse teams in steals (total)
1) 24-25 (125)
2) 75-76 (222)
3) 20-21 (227)

Best team: 01-02 (394)

Not sure about dunks, those aren't well tracked. But 2Ps made is probably a good stand-in:
Bottom three Syracuse teams in 2PM (total)
1) 20-21 (506)
2) 18-19 (534)
3) 24-25 (547)

Best team: 88-89 (1,191)

I, for one, am loving this fast-paced brand of havoc-causing defense that Red promised us.

 

[Red2003]

Steals are not good for us because when we try to turn them into transition buckets they end up as turnovers. Best to just not steal the ball and hope every team we play has a terrible shooting night.

 

[Brooky03]

Steals are not good for us because when we try to turn them into transition buckets they end up as turnovers. Best to just not steal the ball and hope every team we play has a terrible shooting night.

 

[baggerbob]

I ‘member when Cuse basketball was ‘we are bigger and more athletic and we’ll see you at the rim.’ As a kid, watching McNeil get 5 fouls in 4 minutes and send 3 shots into the stands was nirvana. Watching guys drive baseline to the rim, knowing the weak side forward was crashing down and ready to catch a body was euphoria. Hell, remember what fastbreak alley-oops used to look like? I don’t think I’ve seen one of those since the Obama administration.

To see how far down we are. Is there anyone on this team that would have had significant minutes on the 1987 team? And remember Rodney Walker a former McDonalds All American transferred after 14 games, because DC won the starting job.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Bottom three Syracuse teams in blocks (total)
1) 24-25 (69) [nice]
2) 82-83 (85)
3) 83-84 (94)

Best team: 11-12 (255), ranked 2nd in the country. Fab led with 88 by himself and Rak, Keita, and Southy had 30+ each.

Bottom three Syracuse teams in steals (total)
1) 24-25 (125)
2) 75-76 (222)
3) 20-21 (227)

Best team: 01-02 (394)

Not sure about dunks, those aren't well tracked. But 2Ps made is probably a good stand-in:
Bottom three Syracuse teams in 2PM (total)
1) 20-21 (506)
2) 18-19 (534)
3) 24-25 (547)

Best team: 88-89 (1,191)

I mean, geez, when you go through all the work to put it like this, it's kinda like we're really not good at basketball this season.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Bottom three Syracuse teams in blocks (total)
1) 24-25 (69) [nice]
2) 82-83 (85)
3) 83-84 (94)

Best team: 11-12 (255), ranked 2nd in the country. Fab led with 88 by himself and Rak, Keita, and Southy had 30+ each.

Bottom three Syracuse teams in steals (total)
1) 24-25 (125)
2) 75-76 (222)
3) 20-21 (227)

Best team: 01-02 (394)

Not sure about dunks, those aren't well tracked. But 2Ps made is probably a good stand-in:
Bottom three Syracuse teams in 2PM (total)
1) 20-21 (506)
2) 18-19 (534)
3) 24-25 (547)

Best team: 88-89 (1,191)

Good info. Would add we seem to not get loose balls or deflections, which I know a lot of teams measure.

 

[OmahaCuse]

I, for one, am loving this fast-paced brand of havoc-causing defense that Red promised us.

Amazing how far we are behind in steals and blocks.

 

[JaySU22]

And this also hurts our offense. Even if we just got a handful more points off turnovers on average our offensive rating would be fairly solid. But we get nothing easy.

 

[Newhouser]

I bet that 90% of our blocks are from behind which should only count half.

 

[Knicks411]

On a rate basis, per Ken Pom, we have a 7.2% block rate this season. (that's blocks as a % of 2 point FGA). That is 289th in the country. KP goes back to 1997, prior to this year our lowest block rate was 10.4%, which was 107th in the country, which was...last season. In 2022, we finished 59th.
From 1998-2014, we finished outside the top 10 in block% one time.

Steals is a little harder just because I don't see it tracked all in one place on KP, but we have a steal% of 6.8%, which ranks 349th in the country, which is obviously awful.

 

[Eric15]

Best team: 01-02 (394)

Remember how good we had it back in 2002? When we thought that just missing the tourney by an eyelash was rock bottom?

 

[NineOneSeven]

On a rate basis, per Ken Pom, we have a 7.2% block rate this season. (that's blocks as a % of 2 point FGA). That is 289th in the country. KP goes back to 1997, prior to this year our lowest block rate was 10.4%, which was 107th in the country, which was...last season. In 2022, we finished 59th.
From 1998-2014, we finished outside the top 10 in block% one time.

Steals is a little harder just because I don't see it tracked all in one place on KP, but we have a steal% of 6.8%, which ranks 349th in the country, which is obviously awful.

Yeah I was going to say that the rate or total per game would be better to have vs cumulative total bc number of games varies.

All still great data though and backs up what we expected.

 

[Cuse12]

On a rate basis, per Ken Pom, we have a 7.2% block rate this season. (that's blocks as a % of 2 point FGA). That is 289th in the country. KP goes back to 1997, prior to this year our lowest block rate was 10.4%, which was 107th in the country, which was...last season. In 2022, we finished 59th.
From 1998-2014, we finished outside the top 10 in block% one time.

Steals is a little harder just because I don't see it tracked all in one place on KP, but we have a steal% of 6.8%, which ranks 349th in the country, which is obviously awful.

Wow… goes to show what the recruiting strategy was for JB. We all knew it was length and athleticism, and that stats shows that.

 

[AcAndAc]

Remember how good we had it back in 2002? When we thought that just missing the tourney by an eyelash was rock bottom?

Seriously.

 

[AcAndAc]

Brown is now injured for Duke. Looks like he was 2nd or 3rd on that team with Steals/Blocks. Subtraction by, well, subtraction. Could have used the defense.