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Message: [QUOTE="cuseincincy, post: 688167, member: 331"] First of all, thank goodness this thread on the football board has morphed into a dicussion of football. Secondly, agreed. FSU's problem last year which ahs really been an ACC and BE problem the past few years has been neither conference was strong enough that a team just could not afford a slip up of any kind. If FSU had gone undefeated last year they'd have been in the title game I believe. Everything you said about the schools and their roles is true. I look forward to average years of 8 wins and every few years a 10 win season and we're competing for the conference title. We're really not that far away on the field from the top ACC teams right now. I beleive that FSU, Miami and Clemson have greater potential for more frequent success so yes more should be expected of them. I won't put Va Tech in their category just because I don't want to. [/QUOTE]