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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 214580, member: 363"] This is a really bad thread. Bart blew up the 225 lb lift last year, Carter was one of the stronger RB's. P thomas is an undersized safety who was suspended after failing multiple drug tests, is anyone surprised that the kid wasn't working his ass off here at Syracuse, is anyone surprised that he was puking and cramping on the field the entire year? This is a result of not being in peak conditioning and probably partying a bit much. can somebody convince me that it isn't? I think Syracuse does a solid job of getting guys stronger who want to work, my problem with Hicks over the years is that some of the skills guys get too big and sacrifice speed for bulk, especially lower body. Chandler Jones will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick and people are picking at him as if he is a borderline pick, he has developed here nicely, added weight and gotten stronger, long arms don't help in the bench What Thomas and moreso Tiller did is simply pathetic and shows a lack of work ethic, IMO. But like I said, people want to ignore all the signs with Thomas and act as if they don't all go together, he should have been working for that combine for 3 + years not 3 months and it showed.. Guys like Randy Moss can get away with that stuff not safeties with borderline size and speed. This isn't on the staff, it's on the individuals. I have seen meatheads in the gym with zero athletic ability bench more than these two Why? because they work at it. sure they are limited but these guys should have both done better there S Thomas will put up some big numbers next year, why? because he works at it. I am not saying the kid is a choir boy but he gets after it in the weight room. It's a process, a 4-5 year process not a 3 month process as Tiller and Thomas showed. P Thomas is a clown [/QUOTE]

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