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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 1345913, member: 1969"] [B]"BE Flamng Out"[/B] If you look at seedings (and consider the fact that Georgetown was a ridiculous 4), you only expected this confernce to get 1-2 teams in the sweet 16. They (other than Nova) were in seed positions that tend to fall out. So I don't look at the tourney as a total failure per se. It was within the range of expectations. In my view, a big part of the problem is that just because 2 conferences have 6 teams in the tourney some don't separate the mix of the 6 teams and proceed to make flawed conclusions from it. Just because a conference has 6 teams in it, it may only have 1 really good team. a) The ACC does better than the Big East (both with 6 teams) it does not necessarily mean the Big East Sucks, or that the ACC should have had more teams, or the Big East less teams. b) Mix matters. The ACC is a top heavy league -- of course they are going to get more teams in the sweet 16. They have the better teams. A better comparable for them to the Big 12 -- and the ACC did better. A conference that is deep in the middle should theoretically not excel in the round of 32. c) For someome to state that Nova would go 10-8 in the ACC based on this is simply incorrect. Would they go 16-2. Nope, but they are Kenpom #5 -- it's a good team. Let's game back to the point of seeding via KP (as a check of how good the seeding was / any gaming) Using KenPom as a test of gaming the RPI, that system says as of now Villanova 2 Butler 5 Xavier 6 Georgetown 7 Providence 8 St; John's 11 so overall they were maybe over-seeded by 1 line -- and I attribute that to the multiplier effect of having 60% of your teams tourney worthy... The difference was more pronouned with the MwC. Although in 2013 when they got 5 teams in they may have deserved it. B [B] "Only 2 OOC quality wins"[/B] Off the top of my head I know they had neutral court Wins over UNC, Notre Dame, and VCU based on prior research. And they also beat Oklahoma. I am sure there are victories on lower seed lines and many against teams on the "bubble". It looks not that great, but for a 10 team league it's strong. [B]"If Iowa St had won the first game" [/B] If Nova had won the second game. If Butler had beat Notre Dame instead of losing in OT. [/QUOTE]

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