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Message: [QUOTE="fanfanclubclub, post: 62024, member: 787"] Yeah I hear ya, but one way to take a close look at what differentiates a good role player from a "star" is to[URL='http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Syracuse&y=2011'] use advanced metrics[/URL]. KJO, Triche, and Fair all have "star level" advanced metrics on offense. Fair and Triche have star level advaned metrics on defense. Scoop has generally mediocre advanced metrics, with a 'usage rate' that is way too high for his efficiency. For example, Scoop fans love to say that he led the BE in assists (he actually came in second in assists per game, but that's kinda a petty detail) and they also love to cite his A/TO ratio, but Scoop's pure point rating was a mediocre 3.15. Scoop's pure point rating is much lower than his assist numbers would suggest, because Scoop's good A/TO ratio was overwhelmed by his lousy points-per-shot. Scoop's low Assist/field goal attempt ratio (0.56) is what keeps him from being a top tier floor general. And that basically cuts right to the heart of the Scoop debate: his fans like the A/TO ratio, his detractors dislike his points per shot. Advanced metrics like PPR and ORtg demonstrate, empirically, that the gunning outweighs the assists. (As an interesting aside, Waiters put up "star level" advanced metrics on offense last year because he was so good at drawing FTs and making them. His defensive metrics were poor, and his minutes were low: but his usage rates were reasonably high. I couldn't argue with someone who put Waiters in the "star" category, especially since he is so obviously well suited with the physical skills to become a great defender. I personally list Waiters as a wild card because of his approach and his undeveloped defense) Similarly, many basketball scouts love the physical attributes, skill sets, attitude and fundamentals regarding KJO, CJ, and Triche. Basketball geniuses like Jay Bilas wax poetic about Triche, while KJO and CJ are periodically projected as first round picks. Scoop enjoys nothing close to this level of excitement among scouts, partly because his physical build doesn't project well in an NBA defense, and partly because he has poor shot selection and pure point ratings. Even without advanced metrics, it is pretty easy to show through conventional "basketball card" statistics that CJ and KJO fit the profile of emerging stars, whereas Scoop fits the profile of a high-volume, low-efficiency lead guard. By throwing Triche in with the "stars," I am inviting scrutiny, I know. But his advanced metrics are excellent, and if you adjust his stats for the level of competition, he has a clear upward trajectory and an excellent track record. Also, Melo is a big star. I didn't expect it, I barely believed it when I saw it, but he has arrived. [I]fiat accompli[/I]. There is no "we'll see." He would be a first rounder today. [/QUOTE]

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