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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 606209, member: 837"] I think there's common ground here, though I tend to side a little closer to those who will give DM's tenure generally favorable reviews. The bottom line with DM is that he came in to a program that was in the depths of despair following a long, slow slide that began near the end of the P era. He took this program -- one that has limited fan support and facilities that fall somewhere between grossly inadequate and blah -- and went to two bowl games, averaged 6+ wins per season, recruited well in terms of roster construction if not high-end, high-profile names, stepped up the S&C/player development aspects of the program immeasurably, and generally restored pride to a moribund program. It's hard to give a guy who accomplished those things -- and I don't think anyone can argue any of those points above -- poor marks as 'college coach', 'football coach' or any other such title. So I would disagree with you on that front. I'd also disagree with the fact that it matters, at the end of the day, whether DM originally planned on the new offense or not. He was open and flexible enough to accept it on premise and he went with it. For that he deserves credit even if it was all Hackett's doing. Having said that, there are some here who tend to view DM as something just short of vince lombardi or, in a more likely sense, Chip Kelly. That's not accurate. I think he's a guy that can be replaced effectively and we may -- *may* -- even see shafer build on and, in fact, eclipse what DM accomplished. Would not be shocking. But I think it's fine to point out that DM had some faults and weaknesses. I would agree that he may be a better fit for the NFL than he was for college. He seemed to be not terribly enthused with all the glad-handing and back-slapping that the college game requires. He seemed to be a solid but not terribly impressive recruiter. He seemed to struggle on game day at times. He seemed to be a little on the conservative side for a college coach. In summary, the guy did a good job but there would seem to be evidence to suggest we can do even better and maybe the transition to Shafer helps us continue to climb in the right direction. Time will tell. [/QUOTE]

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