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Message: [QUOTE="Townie72, post: 1379022, member: 780"] I guess it is possible to have a successful program without all the serious, serious hi-jinks that surrounded the Miami programs. But, it wasn't me that used Miami as an example. I think its an awful example. So is it possible to get all the success and avoid any of the problems and problem children? For SU, its going to be extraordinarily difficult The 1990's may have been the high-water mark for FB, BB and LAX. Especially for football, the gulf between the Southern schools --- especially the SEC and the Northern schools --- appears to be growing. In lacrosse, the number of competitive programs has grown tremendously. Notre Dame used to be a soft game on the schedule. Denver didn't even have a program. The Top 5 teams never lost to a team ranked lower than 10. [/QUOTE]