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Message: [QUOTE="RedtheGOB, post: 5488994, member: 8907"] I think you have to bucket the freshman and guys getting their first real full speed in game experience at this level differently than those guys floating around the program for years that are Jr/Srs. Can they get better quickly, most of these guys are still teachable and I think will get there and fast. As many have said McDonald and Sparrow and the PFF grades show there is no excuse, they're 23 years old. The guys that fall into that bucket, that's the problem, those guys just can't play that way. [/QUOTE]