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[Toga]

ACC's Next Step article -
"Compare that to the SEC and Big 12 that just combined to form a “Champions Bowl” that didn’t previously exist, with the intent to send the winner to the four-team playoff."
:bat:

 

[OrangePA]

The interim BE Commissioner says that the success under the new system will be determined on the field.

“It was made clear that conference champions were going to be one of the main criteria used when you select and rank teams,” Bailey said. “The good news is that this is a meritocracy and not a popularity contest per se. What counts is how teams perform on the field … the selection committee will focus on the quality of play and meritocracy, which is all any football team could ever ask for.”

I think he's right.

If the BE or the MWC or Conf USA produces a great team with a solid schedule, it will have a chance to compete for the NC.

 

[rrlbees]

ACC's Next Step article -
"Compare that to the SEC and Big 12 that just combined to form a “Champions Bowl” that didn’t previously exist, with the intent to send the winner to the four-team playoff."
:bat:

Yea, he's wrong about that.

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[rrlbees]

The interim BE Commissioner says that the success under the new system will be determined on the field.

“It was made clear that conference champions were going to be one of the main criteria used when you select and rank teams,” Bailey said. “The good news is that this is a meritocracy and not a popularity contest per se. What counts is how teams perform on the field … the selection committee will focus on the quality of play and meritocracy, which is all any football team could ever ask for.”

I think he's right.

If the BE or the MWC or Conf USA produces a great team with a solid schedule, it will have a chance to compete for the NC.

As they did before.

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[jasjr]

So, who is Sean Bright? What year etc.

 

[007]

The interim BE Commissioner says that the success under the new system will be determined on the field.

“It was made clear that conference champions were going to be one of the main criteria used when you select and rank teams,” Bailey said. “The good news is that this is a meritocracy and not a popularity contest per se. What counts is how teams perform on the field … the selection committee will focus on the quality of play and meritocracy, which is all any football team could ever ask for.”

I think he's right.

If the BE or the MWC or Conf USA produces a great team with a solid schedule, it will have a chance to compete for the NC.

Teams outside the Big 5 will have a "chance" to compete for the NC in pretty much the same way that you would have a "chance" to win the Lottery if you bought a ticket.

It is simply a position he must take in light of the position that BE finds itself in - very much on the outside looking in. The BE Commissioner is "right" in that teams will be judged by performance on the field. But the fact remains that performance in the Big 5 conferences will heavily oout weightand, in the opinion of many, effectively exclude teams outside of the Big 5 or ND, except in very rare years.

Those "rare" years would likely include an undefeated season (absolute necessity), beating an eventual conference champion from the Big 5 in the regular season, and only one other undefeated team from the Big 5. They would then have to play and beat one of the 3 best teams in the country in the national semi game to have a chance at the NC final. That could happen - hey, you never know.

 

[OrangePA]

As they did before.

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Not the same.

It will be easier now.

It will remain a challenge, but a team like Boise State or pre-Big XII TCU or an undefeated University of Houston will have a very good chance to get to the final four.

 

[OrangePA]

Teams outside the Big 5 will have a "chance" to compete for the NC in pretty much the same way that you would have a "chance" to win the Lottery if you bought a ticket.

It is simply a position he must take in light of the position that BE finds itself in - very much on the outside looking in. The BE Commissioner is "right" in that teams will be judged by performance on the field. But the fact remains that performance in the Big 5 conferences will heavily oout weightand, in the opinion of many, effectively exclude teams outside of the Big 5 or ND, except in very rare years.

Those "rare" years would likely include an undefeated season (absolute necessity), beating an eventual conference champion from the Big 5 in the regular season, and only one other undefeated team from the Big 5. They would then have to play and beat one of the 3 best teams in the country in the national semi game to have a chance at the NC final. That could happen - hey, you never know.

Lottery analogy is not accurate.

See Boise State or pre-Big XII TCU.

Those teams would have likely made the final four - not a lottery situation.

 

[RF2044]

62-0...maybe my lowest day as an SU football fan.

 

[007]

Not the same.

It will be easier now.

It will remain a challenge, but a team like Boise State or pre-Big XII TCU or an undefeated University of Houston will have a very good chance to get to the final four.

I respect that you are entitled to an opinion and it is not my intent to be antagonistic. It would appear to me, based on everything I have read or seen, that YOU are the only one suggesting (actually, insisting would be more accurate) that it will be "easier now" for teams outside the Big 5 to get a chance to play in the final four.

Can you provide a single link to anything/anyone that shares your view that these teams will have a better chance now?

I fully realize that I will not sway your opinion. Perhaps the inevitable attempted mass exodus rom non Big 5 conferences by teams like Boise, and Louisville and Rutgers and UCONN and CFU and ... will.

 

[Cuseman78]

Teams outside the Big 5 will have a "chance" to compete for the NC in pretty much the same way that you would have a "chance" to win the Lottery if you bought a ticket.

It is simply a position he must take in light of the position that BE finds itself in - very much on the outside looking in. The BE Commissioner is "right" in that teams will be judged by performance on the field. But the fact remains that performance in the Big 5 conferences will heavily oout weightand, in the opinion of many, effectively exclude teams outside of the Big 5 or ND, except in very rare years.

Those "rare" years would likely include an undefeated season (absolute necessity), beating an eventual conference champion from the Big 5 in the regular season, and only one other undefeated team from the Big 5. They would then have to play and beat one of the 3 best teams in the country in the national semi game to have a chance at the NC final. That could happen - hey, you never know.

Well said -- and the biggest hindrance to one of the 'have-nots' actually playing in the 4 team playoff in the long run will be that the Big 5 conference teams will have absolutely no incentive in scheduling OOC games against Big East/Mountain West/Conf USA quality teams. Therefore, though there may be an undefeated Conf USA or Mountain West team, their weak SOS will be used as the excuse to keep them out of the 4 team playoff. The gap between the Big 5 and the have-nots will continue to deepen.

 

[Cuseman78]

I fully realize that I will not sway your opinion. Perhaps the inevitable attempted mass exodus rom non Big 5 conferences by teams like Boise, and Louisville and Rutgers and UCONN and CFU and ... will.

This is why it continues to baffle me that OPA keeps beating the Big East drum. If the BE conference was stable, desirable, and had realistic access to a national title, then the Uconns, Louisvilles, Rutgers of the world wouldn't be angling to get out.

 

[omniorange]

Lottery analogy is not accurate.

See Boise State or pre-Big XII TCU.

Those teams would have likely made the final four - not a lottery situation.

Highest Boise ranking was #6, so as good as some of those teams were, it is unlikely they'd have made a Football Final Four. They'd likely have been chosen to go to an Access Bowl (the same as they went to BCS Bowls), but not the FFF.

TCU would have likely made it in both 2009 and 2010, but they play in the Big 12 now so they are now a power conference team.

Only Big East team that would have likely made the Football Final Four was the 2009 Cincinnati team. (And yes, the only ACC team to likely have made a FFF recently is the 2007 VT squad, but my focus in this reply is for those teams/programs not in a contract bowl).

Basically all of the known programs not associated with a contract bowl in the new system that are capable of breaking into the FFF now are in the Big East - Boise, Louisville, Cincy, and maybe Houston, SMU, USF, and UCF. Since they will be playing one another, what is the likelihood of any of them having an undefeated season?

Time, of course, will tell. But I, for one, am having a hard time grasping that this new system is somehow more accessible (other than there will be 4 teams now instead of 2) for those programs in conferences without a contract bowl. Rightly or wrongly, three of the last 4 Big East champions wouldn't even have made one of the Access Bowls in the new system.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[TexanMark]

Also I see Boise taking a step back to 8-9 wins more often than 11-13 wins. As much as we bash the BE...the nBE still has better teams than the old WAC pre 2011/MWC in 2011. Boise will lose several games due to travel and better teams (both conf and non-conf). Once they lose 3-4 games they will no longer stay special. In 5 years Syracuse > Boise St.

 

[rrlbees]

Not the same.

It will be easier now.

It will remain a challenge, but a team like Boise State or pre-Big XII TCU or an undefeated University of Houston will have a very good chance to get to the final four.

It is only "easier" now because 4 teams are "selected" instead of 2. But that is offset by the fact that humans will be selecting the 4 teams instead of computer algorithms. So now, besides what is done on the field the human element of perception comes into play. An 11-1 LSU with its only loss being to an undefeated Bama team will still get in over any BE team even if that BE team is undefeated. The BE has no cache nor respect from the populace nor will they from the selection committee. I ask you again to go back and find when and how many BE teams have been top 4. You can do that for the ACC too who is only in slightly better shape until a few schools start getting to where they were.

As others have also said, don't look for the B10, PAC10, SEC, and B12 to help the BE with their SOS. I also think those conferences, to some extent, may try to freeze out the ACC also.

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[KaiserUEO]

Lottery analogy is not accurate.

See Boise State or pre-Big XII TCU.

Those teams would have likely made the final four - not a lottery situation.

Jiminy fn Crickets!!! It's Boise st!! Once they have to play schedule, even as shlitty as the newnewnewnewnewbigeast, they're going to get an education.

So is tcu in the bevo.

the have nots.