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[stuckinbig11]

I cannot find the link to email a question to JB for the Coach's Show. Would you consider this question for your call?

While I don't think it was intentional, I do not dispute the Flagrant Foul 1 againt Fab Melo. However, I do have a question about the rules and way this call was handled because no foul was called at the time of the contact, and play continued, including a Marquette score. It seems that the video review should be allowed to determine if a CALLED foul was flagrant, but not if a foul had not been called originally. If a review IS allowed under those circumstances, shouldn't action taking place after the foul be negated? If the refs' handling of this play was legitimate, I can see teams reviewing tape during halftime, finding an instance when a big guy was shoved in the back with no call, having the player fall to the floor grabbing his back at a critical time in the second half when the other team has the ball, requesting a review of the first half uncalled shove that caused it, getting two shots and the ball. This is an obviously ludicrous scenario, but if the rules were indeed applied correctly after Fab's foul, it could happen. What are the rules on video reviews when no foul was called originally?

 

[Todd Gack]

Here's the Radio Mailbox link: http://suathletics.com/sb_output.aspx?form=4

 

[stuckinbig11]

Thanks. I just posted it.

 

[SWC75]

I've already composed a question on that play but I like to wait until after the last game before the broadcast to send my question(s) in case something else comes up. Here is my draft of the question:

Coach, I was at the Marquette game and I watched the replay on Orange All-Access when I got home and here’s what I think I saw on the flagrant foul play: Marquette missed a shot. Fab was going for the rebound and threw an elbow that caused the Marquette player, (Wilson), to collapse to the court when it hit him in the face. Crowder scored on a follow-shot after the foul, which the referees didn’t call until they saw the guy on the floor and then decided to review the replay to see how he got hurt. They then decided to retroactively call the flagrant foul and allowed Crowder’s follow-shot to stand even though it came after the foul. A U-tube video also shows the refs missed a 3 second call, (it was more like 13) and Wilson shoving Melo out of the way before the elbow hit him.

I’ve seen a lot of players go down in games over the years. They were obviously hit in some way. I’ve seen officials look at monitors to see if a foul they already called should be considered flagrant. I’ve never seen them view the monitor to see how a guy got hurt and then retroactively call a foul they missed. Are they allowed to do that? And should Crowder’s shot have counted if it came after the foul?

 

[stuckinbig11]

I like your wording. One way or another, the foul question is going to be asked. I hope he answers it without being too politically correct.

 

[orangefan13]

Wait crowders layup counted? Then why did MU also get the ball after 2 freethrows? thats bs thats like 2 shots and the ball for two possessions for one flagrant.

Im confused. That has got to be illegal. That is one possession.
There has to be a inbound scenerio for the team that got scored on to be considered two different possessions therefore two opportunities. Thats utter BS!!! I really wish the ncaa would fine the crap out of them and I am not trying to discredit or say I don't like them thats just blantant cheating and not fair in any way shape or form. I would bet someone a domesoda they can't prove that legal using the NCAA rulebook.

You can say your blind and missed the over the back on Triche when he and the other player were the only two in the play, but this isn't about missing a call its about being fair.

 

[kingtidge]

Wait crowders layup counted? Then why did MU also get the ball after 2 freethrows? thats bs thats like 2 shots and the ball for two possessions for one flagrant.

Im confused. That has got to be illegal. That is one possession.
There has to be a inbound scenerio for the team that got scored on to be considered two different possessions therefore two opportunities. Thats utter BS!!! I really wish the ncaa would fine the crap out of them and I am not trying to discredit or say I don't like them thats just blantant cheating and not fair in any way shape or form.

Flagrant is basically the same as a T, right? Shots + ball possession...

The fact that they called nothing on the floor then went to the monitor is total BS, however.

Players are getting really adept at flopping on the slightest contact... It's like watching the Italian national soccer team play...

 

[orangefan13]

One possession yes not two though...

The rebound was before crowders shot. There is no way you can argue it was a different possession. Basically they got 2 possessions and two shots for one foul.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I started a thread about this topic without realizing you had already done so. Whoops. Check the "Fab Elbow Play" thread for some other thoughts on this.