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whenever cole is involved in a loose ball situation, or fighting guys for a rebound under the basket, or theres a scramble on the floor, cole NEVER comes away with the ball! its incredible! ive been paying close attention to it the last few games cuz it was something i noticed early in the year. i laugh every time it happens. it always ends with him clapping his hands in disgust after he comes away empty handed, or the ball goes out of bounds off him. you know how some players just have a knack for being in the right place at the right time? cole is the bizarro version of that player.
 
Sort of like this?

denver broncos no GIF
 
whenever cole is involved in a loose ball situation, or fighting guys for a rebound under the basket, or theres a scramble on the floor, cole NEVER comes away with the ball! its incredible! ive been paying close attention to it the last few games cuz it was something i noticed early in the year. i laugh every time it happens. it always ends with him clapping his hands in disgust after he comes away empty handed, or the ball goes out of bounds off him. you know how some players just have a knack for being in the right place at the right time? cole is the bizarro version of that player.
this is buddy and joe too...ive never seen a player (buddy) that gets more deflections without actually gaining possession than buddy...they get sooo many "almost turnovers"...which would seem like a good thing but then since the d is all out of position it usually ends up in an easy score for the opponent...which is crushing.
 
whenever cole is involved in a loose ball situation, or fighting guys for a rebound under the basket, or theres a scramble on the floor, cole NEVER comes away with the ball! its incredible! ive been paying close attention to it the last few games cuz it was something i noticed early in the year. i laugh every time it happens. it always ends with him clapping his hands in disgust after he comes away empty handed, or the ball goes out of bounds off him. you know how some players just have a knack for being in the right place at the right time? cole is the bizarro version of that player.

At least he’s fighting.

Can’t lose a fight if you never get into it.
 
this is buddy and joe too...ive never seen a player (buddy) that gets more deflections without actually gaining possession than buddy...they get sooo many "almost turnovers"...which would seem like a good thing but then since the d is all out of position it usually ends up in an easy score for the opponent...which is crushing.

Buddy is the absolute worse at getting a loose ball. Shockingly bad until you consider his foot speed.
 
One question, and I don’t really want to start an entire thread… so since this one is about loose balls and turnovers, I’ll ask it here…

Late in the game when SU was really falling apart in the face of the increased pressure by VT, and the VT player came up with the loose ball, and slid about 8 feet across the floor… isn’t this a travel? I always thought so. Just because you pulled in a loose ball, I didn’t think you could slide like that. I was dumbfounded expecting a call that never came.
 
One question, and I don’t really want to start an entire thread… so since this one is about loose balls and turnovers, I’ll ask it here…

Late in the game when SU was really falling apart in the face of the increased pressure by VT, and the VT player came up with the loose ball, and slid about 8 feet across the floor… isn’t this a travel? I always thought so. Just because you pulled in a loose ball, I didn’t think you could slide like that. I was dumbfounded expecting a call that never came.

Yes this was 100% a travel. Everyone agrees except for one poster on here
 
One question, and I don’t really want to start an entire thread… so since this one is about loose balls and turnovers, I’ll ask it here…

Late in the game when SU was really falling apart in the face of the increased pressure by VT, and the VT player came up with the loose ball, and slid about 8 feet across the floor… isn’t this a travel? I always thought so. Just because you pulled in a loose ball, I didn’t think you could slide like that. I was dumbfounded expecting a call that never came.

Also, that was the start of our downfall. Believe we were either up one or down one at that point.
 
One question, and I don’t really want to start an entire thread… so since this one is about loose balls and turnovers, I’ll ask it here…

Late in the game when SU was really falling apart in the face of the increased pressure by VT, and the VT player came up with the loose ball, and slid about 8 feet across the floor… isn’t this a travel? I always thought so. Just because you pulled in a loose ball, I didn’t think you could slide like that. I was dumbfounded expecting a call that never came.
Only for the following; a) teams north of the Mason-Dixon line playing teams south of it or each other, b) teams playing NC teams.
 
Syracuse needs to be at least 6 points better than any southern ACC team, because the officials are going to give them five with their calls. Against Duke/UNC you need 10.

It's insane how badly the officiating goes against us... Maybe we're going about replacing JB all wrong, we just need to hire Coach K's kids to get the ACC off our back. Who cares if any of them can coach?
 
Syracuse needs to be at least 6 points better than any southern ACC team, because the officials are going to give them five with their calls. Against Duke/UNC you need 10.

It's insane how badly the officiating goes against us... Maybe we're going about replacing JB all wrong, we just need to hire Coach K's kids to get the ACC off our back. Who cares if any of them can coach?
For years it was the complaint of Maryland that ACC tourney was always on tobacco road. South Carolina had the same complaint. It maybe why Maryland and South Carolina left the conference.
 
Syracuse needs to be at least 6 points better than any southern ACC team, because the officials are going to give them five with their calls. Against Duke/UNC you need 10.

It's insane how badly the officiating goes against us... Maybe we're going about replacing JB all wrong, we just need to hire Coach K's kids to get the ACC off our back. Who cares if any of them can coach?
I really don't think the Acc mafia cares all that much about va tech
 
Yes this was 100% a travel. Everyone agrees except for one poster on here

If a player, without possession of the ball, slides across the floor to retrieve a loose ball, he is permitted to slide with the ball without being called for a travel.
 
...and the referees did not see it that way it seems???
Because that’s what they’re taught.


A.R. 38. Is it traveling when a player (a) falls to the playing court while holding the ball; or
(b) gains control of the ball while on the playing court and then, because of momentum, rolls or slides, after which the player passes or starts a dribble before getting to his or her feet?
RULING: In (a), yes, because it is virtually impossible not to move the pivot foot when falling to the playing floor. In (b), no. The player may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a timeout. Once the player has the ball and is no longer sliding, he or she may not roll over. When flat on his or her back, the player may sit up without violating.
 

If a player, without possession of the ball, slides across the floor to retrieve a loose ball, he is permitted to slide with the ball without being called for a travel.

He continued to slide after obtaining possession.
One could just lie on the ground and have his teammates slide him across the floor. Indefensible strategy
 
One could just lie on the ground and have his teammates slide him across the floor otherwise . Indefensible strategy
That’s exactly what the ruling says…
 

If a player, without possession of the ball, slides across the floor to retrieve a loose ball, he is permitted to slide with the ball without being called for a travel.

Bring up the official ncaa rules. Maybe youre right.
 

If a player, without possession of the ball, slides across the floor to retrieve a loose ball, he is permitted to slide with the ball without being called for a travel.
Heres the official rule. Prefer these over rec league rules that its unclear what they apply to.

Section 5. Traveling
Art. 1. A player shall not travel with the ball�
Art. 2. Traveling occurs when a player holding the ball moves a foot or both
feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits described in this section�
Art. 3. A player who catches the ball with both feet on the playing court may pivot, using either foot� When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot�
Art. 4. A player who catches the ball while moving or ends a dribble may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a� When both feet are off the playing court and the player lands: 1� Simultaneously on both feet, either may be the pivot foot;
2� On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the
pivot foot;
3� On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both, in which case neither foot can be the pivot foot�
b� When one foot is on the playing court:
1� That foot shall be the pivot foot when the other foot touches in a step; 2� The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both,
in which case neither foot can be the pivot foot�
Art. 5. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a� Thepivotfootmaybelifted,butnotreturnedtotheplayingcourt,before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
b� The pivot foot shall not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble� Art. 6. After coming to a stop when neither foot can be the pivot foot:
a� One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the playing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
b� Neither foot shall be lifted, before the ball is released, to start a dribble�
Art. 7. It is traveling when a player falls to the playing court while holding the ball without maintaining a pivot foot�




I dont think this says you can slide across the floor but maybe theres an alternate interpretation. Seems like same as falling to floor with ball.
 
Bring up the official ncaa rules. Maybe youre right.
My second post was ncaa, but the date is a bit ago. Haven’t looked for anything newer
 
Im not a fan of the way tv teddy calls a game. Your best hope with him is the bad calls even themselves out.

He needs to be put to pasture. He’s been officiating for 40 years.

I’m not saying he’s the reason we lose games, but our record with him as an official is absolutely awful and it certainly seems like we get him one out of 3 or 4 games this season. He lives for making the big call. He is the new Michael Stephens for me.
 

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