Switching who Starts under JB in last 30Years

[20plus]

Want to generate a list of examples of players SU who lost starting privileges based on better option on bench

 

[Alsacs]

Want to generate a list of examples of players SU who lost starting privileges based on better option on bench

Off my head

2016-2017 Frank Howard for John Gillon.
Tyler Roberson for Tyus Battle.
AW become the 3 and Tyus became the 2.

 

[Cuse1055]

That’s a great question. I know Otis Hill and JB Reafsnyder switched a few times in 1995. Also I believe in 1998 or 1999 Eric Williams got the token start at the 4 only to get replaced by Damone Brown early in the season before Damone just ended up taking over the starting spot too.

 

[upperdeck]

if you start Kadary and it goes bad how does Joe come in and change things up? Same reason Dion was the sub and probably the better player.. Now when Kadary can make the 10-12 ft shot, hopefully next season I think it does change.

 

[Alsacs]

if you start Kadary and it goes bad how does Joe come in and change things up? Same reason Dion was the sub and probably the better player.. Now when Kadary can make the 10-12 ft shot, hopefully next season I think it does change.

If you start Kadary and goes well then JB looks smart.
So basically don’t switch things up because it could go wrong.when it could go right.

Kadary can’t make 10-12 foot shots now?

What about the improvement it does for our defense?

 

[sutomcat]

This question has been raised and answered multiple times.

JB has changed the starting lineup many times over the past 30 years.

 

[jmcclure33]

Just last year, JGIII for Carey.

 

[721Comstock]

Want to generate a list of examples of players SU who lost starting privileges based on better option on bench

So, for play only, not based on injury or anything like that?

Jalen Carey. (don't let the injury talk fool you)
Frank Howard (ditto)
Matt Moyer (ditto)
Kaleb Joseph
Roberson, maybe?
DaJuan was starting, then JB went with Jerami instead.
Fab and Baye as Frosh - Fab started 24 games, then Baye the final 10.

Going back a ways - Mike Edwards forced Dave Johnson to the bench, since Stevie T was clearly not the PG we needed. DJ still got a lot of minutes.

(just imagine that team with Kenny Anderson as the PG... sigh.
FFF Bobby Cremins and the private jet & the bags)

 

[upperdeck]

If you start Kadary and goes well then JB looks smart.
So basically don’t switch things up because it could go wrong.when it could go right.

Kadary can’t make 10-12 foot shots now?

What about the improvement it does for our defense?

I agree he is better on D. But he is not good at initiating the offense. even Sat it wasnt the offense that was the issue that got us behind it was all the missed shots..

you also can not tell what kadary is seeing before he enters the game, maybe he needs to see and be told what teams are doing which you cant do if he starts..

For my money I play one of the other centers and rotate the 3 guards and the 2 forwards with Marek and press some of these teams.. ND/Virg and some others do not handle the press very well.

I would play him more too, just dont think starting is that big a deal as long as he gets the 25+ a game. I would like 30 BB 30 Kadary 20 JG..

 

[Alsacs]

I agree he is better on D. But he is not good at initiating the offense. even Sat it wasnt the offense that was the issue that got us behind it was all the missed shots..

you also can not tell what kadary is seeing before he enters the game, maybe he needs to see and be told what teams are doing which you cant do if he starts..

For my money I play one of the other centers and rotate the 3 guards and the 2 forwards with Marek and press some of these teams.. ND/Virg and some others do not handle the press very well.

I would play him more too, just dont think starting is that big a deal as long as he gets the 25+ a game. I would like 30 BB 30 Kadary 20 JG..

You think the Joe is better at initiating offense than Kadary?

I don’t. I wish it was 30-30-20 unless Buddy is hot like he was Saturday we should see Kadary and Joe more in the backcourt.

 

[djcon57]

Want to generate a list of examples of players SU who lost starting privileges based on better option on bench

Coleman got the token start for awhile then got benched for Grant and then Southerland when he came back

 

[SU94]

So, for play only, not based on injury or anything like that?

Jalen Carey. (don't let the injury talk fool you)
Frank Howard (ditto)
Matt Moyer (ditto)
Kaleb Joseph
Roberson, maybe?
DaJuan was starting, then JB went with Jerami instead.
Fab and Baye as Frosh - Fab started 24 games, then Baye the final 10.

Going back a ways - Mike Edwards forced Dave Johnson to the bench, since Stevie T was clearly not the PG we needed. DJ still got a lot of minutes.

(just imagine that team with Kenny Anderson as the PG... sigh.
FFF Bobby Cremins and the private jet & the bags)

Marek started 23 of 71 games his first two seasons
Red Bruin started 18/33 as a sophomore
Battle started 25/34 as a frosh
Damon Brown started 26/33 as a sophomore
Bill Celuck started 13/28 as a junior
Jason Cipolla started 24/37 his first year at SU
It is a long list. If you want it, visit Orangehoops.org and work through the player index.

 

[upperdeck]

You think the Joe is better at initiating offense than Kadary?

I don’t. I wish it was 30-30-20 unless Buddy is hot like he was Saturday we should see Kadary and Joe more in the backcourt.

yup.. and so does JB.. kadary does best when its attack down hill. When he cant do that the offense stalls out., Not every team is just gonna let him go iso, and if they do them let him go do it.

We do try to run sets and plays even if it doesnt look like it. Imagine what Joe would do if they sat back in the lane and just let him shoot with his ft set.

 

[djcon57]

Syracuse Basketball 2012-2013 Game Results

Orangehoops has all the lineups for each game

 

[MSOrange]

Marek started 23 of 71 games his first two seasons
Red Bruin started 18/33 as a sophomore
Battle started 25/34 as a frosh
Damon Brown started 26/33 as a sophomore
Bill Celuck started 13/28 as a junior
Jason Cipolla started 24/37 his first year at SU
It is a long list. If you want it, visit Orangehoops.org and work through the player index.

That's exactly what i started doing. Easiest way is to go to orangehoops and go year to year and look at games started. I started looking in 1985-86 and got to 87-88 when Earl Duncan started 4 games and was replaced by Matt Roe.

 

[two3zone]

Off my head

2016-2017 Frank Howard for John Gillon.
Tyler Roberson for Tyus Battle.
AW become the 3 and Tyus became the 2.

If Gillon started earlier that year were easily in the tourney (I called for it and got hammered here).