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Message: [QUOTE="Chip, post: 830622, member: 19"] 2003 I can see as an example, although for some reason I remember that already being determined before the ND game. It wasn't like BC where we were playing for bowl eligibility, I recall all the talk being that it was two 5-6 teams playing their finale. Was 6-6 not as common for a bowl team, or some rule? Can't recall, but I know that was only the 2nd year where there were 12 game regular season schedules. 1993 (6-4-1) and 1994 (7-4) are definitely different era. Not nearly as many bowls. How you finished the season was a big factor. 1994 especially we finished 1-3 with a lifeless offense, shutout in 2 of them. There was no debate that we'd be home for the holidays. [/QUOTE]