Syracuse football’s offensive line woes: How did we get here?

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Two immediate reactions.

1, Conway never redshirted? If true, man... this is exactly the kind of thing that shoots us in the foot.

2, the article did not recognize Illoa as an incoming offensive lineman.

 

[PAcuse]

Two immediate reactions.

1, Conway never redshirted? If true, man... this is exactly the kind of thing that shoots us in the foot.

2, the article did not recognize Illoa as an incoming offensive lineman.

It is in there now
Josh Ilaoa, a North Carolina native, is coming in to play guard but can also play along the interior of the defensive line. He was also offered by Illinois, Colorado State, Hawaii, East Carolina and Kent State, among others.

 

[RICuse44]

Two immediate reactions.

1, Conway never redshirted? If true, man... this is exactly the kind of thing that shoots us in the foot.

2, the article did not recognize Illoa as an incoming offensive lineman.

Yes Conway never redshirted. He played as a freshman in 6 games including the season opener.

I also thought Byrne was a serviceable center when he played

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yes Conway never redshirted. He played as a freshman in 6 games including the season opener.

I also thought Byrne was a serviceable center when he played

I mean geez, imagine the ripple effect of having a 5th year LT in Conway back to lead the line...

Servais stays at center, doesn't slim down, and solidifies that spot.

Only one competent tackle needs to emerge. Guards are fine.

But, I mean, nah, Shafer had to win now. Because he had to.

 

[PhatOrange]

We're ok at Guard. I like Tisdale in his limited snaps. Seems to knock people around. We need to find a tackle and solidify the center spot. IMO center is our biggest problem.

 

[Millhouse]

I mean geez, imagine the ripple effect of having a 5th year LT in Conway back to lead the line...

Servais stays at center, doesn't slim down, and solidifies that spot.

Only one competent tackle needs to emerge. Guards are fine.

But, I mean, nah, Shafer had to win now. Because he had to.

it's crazy to not redshirt lineman. if they're stronger than the older guys, you have a big training problem

it's amazing how much trouble we have at center. it wasn't that long ago where we had to choose between a guy who couldn't shotgun snap or a guy that was way too small and young

 

[orangepassion]

Two immediate reactions.

1, Conway never redshirted? If true, man... this is exactly the kind of thing that shoots us in the foot.

2, the article did not recognize Illoa as an incoming offensive lineman.

Don't think you can blame Shafer for this year (and I wanted him gone and wanted Babers). The current staff has had 4 years to recruit and develop some linemen and have been basically totally reliant on Shafer's guys until now.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Don't think you can blame Shafer for this year (and I wanted him gone and wanted Babers). The current staff has had 4 years to recruit and develop some linemen and have been basically totally reliant on Shafer's guys until now.

Oh, I'm not. It's just part of my longstanding rant and perspective that we're a program that needs to really be smart about redshirting.

 

[Chip]

Here's a question I have for those that know more than me (casting a wide net there).

Based on a roster of 85, how many OL should a team have? How do we compare?

 

[orlandoorange]

Here's a question I have for those that know more than me (casting a wide net there).

Based on a roster of 85, how many OL should a team have? How do we compare?

They lost 6 of 9 recruits in a 2 year period, I'm not sure how u account for that but yikes.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Here's a question I have for those that know more than me (casting a wide net there).

Based on a roster of 85, how many OL should a team have? How do we compare?

I would think you would want 4 kids a class to give yourself a three deep. Since we only have 15 guys we seem a little short. Why did Dino’s first real class only have 2 guys? That seems crazy.

 

[upperdeck]

when you lose guys and have guys hurt and also are not blessed when an abundant talent pool issues will crop up.. You cant scheme oline play for everything you need to do as any offense.. how many TE runs can you do?

we have done more screens to try and help it, but even in how well some have worked the blocking has not been all that good. we can go 2 TE even more but that limits other parts of the offense.

When the QB run weapon is removed another issue is added in..

if the oline was just solid at one part of the game, even if just short yardage power plays, it would help. but you cant point at anything and see consistency

 

[OttoinGrotto]

when you lose guys and have guys hurt and also are not blessed when an abundant talent pool issues will crop up.. You cant scheme oline play for everything you need to do as any offense.. how many TE runs can you do?

we have done more screens to try and help it, but even in how well some have worked the blocking has not been all that good. we can go 2 TE even more but that limits other parts of the offense.

When the QB run weapon is removed another issue is added in..

if the oline was just solid at one part of the game, even if just short yardage power plays, it would help. but you cant point at anything and see consistency

I think you could point to lots of things our line does that demonstrates consistency.

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Wait for it.

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Consistently bad.

 

[tbonezone]

And you may ask yourself, well
How did I get here?
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground


same as it ever was. same as it ever was...

 

[griddy]

when you lose guys and have guys hurt and also are not blessed when an abundant talent pool issues will crop up.. You cant scheme oline play for everything you need to do as any offense.. how many TE runs can you do?

we have done more screens to try and help it, but even in how well some have worked the blocking has not been all that good. we can go 2 TE even more but that limits other parts of the offense.

When the QB run weapon is removed another issue is added in..

if the oline was just solid at one part of the game, even if just short yardage power plays, it would help. but you cant point at anything and see consistency

How many TE runs can you do? By my count, they’ve had four TE shovel passes this season. One went for a score, another for a fourth-down conversion. All gained positive yards. We have missed at least one that would probably have produced a 20-yard-plus TD. I’d like to see more, not fewer