Syracuse football 2020 scholarship chart by position, year

[OrangeXtreme]

61 returning / 19 newbies

 

[rhcuse]

Wow, so very young. Especially on defense...only 5 seniors and 5 sophomores. Talk about class imbalance.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

That roster makeup is a mess. Really zero excuse for it in year 5.

Only 32/80 are upperclassmen
34/80 are Freshmen/Redshirt Freshman

Could be a long year for a team that young.

IMO we do not have enough QBs, upperclassmen OL, upperclassmen DEs, not enough DTs, not enough LBs (position has been an issue for years), not enough CBs, too many DEs, too many RBs, and too many WRs.

Whole roster seems out of whack.

 

[sutomcat]

That roster makeup is a mess. Really zero excuse for it in year 5.

Only 32/80 are upperclassmen
34/80 are Freshmen/Redshirt Freshman

Could be a long year for a team that young.

IMO we do not have enough QBs, upperclassmen OL, upperclassmen DEs, not enough DTs, not enough LBs (position has been an issue for years), not enough CBs, too many RBs, and too many WRs.

Whole roster seems out of whack.

Agree it is not a good situation. I think we will see a couple of players currently considered WRs or RBs moved to LB or CB. That would help balance things out considerably.

We are getting close to a good situation now at OL and DE. We are good at the safety positions, WR and RB.

QB and DT are not good at all. I think a few roster moves could make things work at CB and LB. Hoping to see this happen soon.

 

[orangeinohio]

Considering that there's 14 of them, the WR position seems a little thin.
Or maybe it's just the relatively low count of upper classmen.

 

[FloridaFan]

That’s what happens when your first class or two doesn’t really shake out especially after some bad years before babers came here. I think it’s more encouraging then discouraging with the youth. Last year and this year are gonna be huge for setting up the next 4 years of bowl games

 

[PAcuse]

That’s what happens when your first class or two doesn’t really shake out especially after some bad years before babers came here. I think it’s more encouraging then discouraging with the youth. Last year and this year are gonna be huge for setting up the next 4 years of bowl games

11 kids left from 2018 and Hendrix still might not play.

 

[PhatOrange]

by my rough count we'll have:
13 seniors
19 juniors
14 sophomores
14 red-shirt freshman
25 newbies (mostly true freshman depending on if we add any jucos)

Small-ish senior class but doesn't seem to far off from normal, no ?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

by my rough count we'll have:
13 seniors
19 juniors
14 sophomores
14 red-shirt freshman
24 newbies (mostly true freshman depending on if we add any jucos)

Small-ish senior class but doesn't seem to far off from normal, no ?

Well 17 x 5 would be perfect balance. Our SR and Sophomore classes look small.

 

[Moontan]

Well 17 x 5 would be perfect balance. Our SR and Sophomore classes look small.

17 seniors doesn’t really happen due to attrition along the way.
15-16-17-18-19 is probably the best one could hope for.
Agreed that the sophomore numbers are low.

It varies every year. Load up on newbies & transfers to get to 85.

 

[SmilinBob]

That roster makeup is a mess. Really zero excuse for it in year 5.

Only 32/80 are upperclassmen
34/80 are Freshmen/Redshirt Freshman

Could be a long year for a team that young.

IMO we do not have enough QBs, upperclassmen OL, upperclassmen DEs, not enough DTs, not enough LBs (position has been an issue for years), not enough CBs, too many DEs, too many RBs, and too many WRs.

Whole roster seems out of whack.

It may seem a little out of wack but the OL is solid age wise so to me the base is there for success and recruited well in 2020 for that position. As for the O, SU needs 2 guys to pick it up at WR and it should be off to the races imo.

As for the D, curious if Dino had Long come here to discuss what to do and advise him on how to be successful with what is in the cupboard and what to go after?

 

[Chip]

Well 17 x 5 would be perfect balance. Our SR and Sophomore classes look small.

But it’s a lot harder to achieve that these days, with more early defections, more career ending injuries and the 4 game redshirt rule.

Bigger issue are the few positions you all have noted. QB is light, DT is light, and WR is heavy due to a bunch being recruited over but still taking a roster spot.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

But it’s a lot harder to achieve that these days, with more early defections, more career ending injuries and the 4 game redshirt rule.

Bigger issue are the few positions you all have noted. QB is light, DT is light, and WR is heavy due to a bunch being recruited over but still taking a roster spot.

We should be bringing in over 20 freshman every year. Even if you lose 25% of that class you have 15+. And that doesn’t include guys transferring in. I don’t think 17 is hard to achieve.

 

[PhatOrange]

We should be bringing in over 20 freshman every year. Even if you lose 25% of that class you have 15+. And that doesn’t include guys transferring in. I don’t think 17 is hard to achieve.

I'm not arguing about the roster balance - I largely agree. But when you analyze the 'why' I think some things stand out. A large part of the imbalance was the 23 Shafer kids departing the team during their careers. More specifically 16 of 26 kids in the sophomore and redshirt classes from HCDB first year in 2016.

 

[orangepassion]

I'm not arguing about the roster balance - I largely agree. But when you analyze the 'why' I think some things stand out. A large part of the imbalance was the 23 Shafer kids departing the team during their careers. More specifically 16 of 26 kids in the sophomore and redshirt classes from HCDB first year in 2016.

Are we really still blaming Shafer in year 5?

 

[PhatOrange]

Are we really still blaming Shafer in year 5?

I’m not blaming anybody. Stating a fact. 16 kids from Shafs classes left the program. Those kids would’ve been seniors last year and this year which is mostly why the imbalance. You simply can’t recruit 25 kids every year when you’re up against the 85.

 

[baggerbob]

I'm not arguing about the roster balance - I largely agree. But when you analyze the 'why' I think some things stand out. A large part of the imbalance was the 23 Shafer kids departing the team during their careers. More specifically 16 of 26 kids in the sophomore and redshirt classes from HCDB first year in 2016.

There also have been a number of players medically DQ during the past 4 years.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Every time a roster is mentioned I bring this up but blows my mind these teams have 85 players.

How many players are here four years and just never see the field?

 

[Moontan]

Every time a roster is mentioned I bring this up but blows my mind these teams have 85 players.

How many players are here four years and just never see the field?

A handful every year. Another handful only see ST and occasional mop-up duty. If they’re smart they’ll use their time on the Hill to get their degree. For some of these it is injury related, others are coaches’ gambles that didn’t pan out and others are over-recruited the following year and thus miss their window of opportunity.

 

[baggerbob]

A handful every year. Another handful only see ST and occasional mop-up duty. If they’re smart they’ll use their time on the Hill to get their degree. For some of these it is injury related, others are coaches’ gambles that didn’t pan out and others are over-recruited the following year and thus miss their window of opportunity.

Riley messed us up at 3 positions last year as a senior. He was bad at kickoff returns, especially bad at punt returns, and terrible as a slot receiver

 

[PhatOrange]

Every time a roster is mentioned I bring this up but blows my mind these teams have 85 players.

How many players are here four years and just never see the field?

I actually considered this when scanning the rosters but it's hard to quantify because of Special Teams and Garbage time. Trotter will be a junior and saw 6 games this year but he's one you can say has never seen the field yet. DuWayne Johnson (a SR) is another (10 games and 10 tackles but not really).

Most kids not playing are either A) injured, or B) underclassmen. Of the entire senior class - excluding walkons - I counted 3 that just didn't see the field. DJohnson noted above, Grosvenur and Duerig.

Every single junior (10 of 14) is seeing the field and impacting except for Culpepper, Heckle (hurt), Mike Clark (dnp in 18 & 19) and Devon Clarke (though 8 games played) and has a chance to earn a starting spot in 2020.

Figure a 2-deep comprises nearly half the team.

 

[bnoro]

Man, I was so high on that WR class of RTB, Cam Jordan, Sharod & Nykeim. Really haven't gotten too much there.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I actually considered this when scanning the rosters but it's hard to quantify because of Special Teams and Garbage time. Trotter will be a junior and saw 6 games this year but he's one you can say has never seen the field yet. DuWayne Johnson (a SR) is another (10 games and 10 tackles but not really).

Most kids not playing are either A) injured, or B) underclassmen. Of the entire senior class - excluding walkons - I counted 3 that just didn't see the field. DJohnson noted above, Grosvenur and Duerig.

Every single junior is seeing the field and impacting except for Heckle (hurt), Mike Clark (dnp in 18 & 19) and Devon Clarke (though 8 games played) and has a chance to earn a starting spot in 2020.

Figure a 2-deep comprises nearly half the team.

Interesting stuff. Never heard of those names you mentioned who played this year.

I guess I wonder- would a guy who doesn’t play a game in 4 years at SU still be a star at a d3 school?

 

[PhatOrange]

There also have been a number of players medically DQ during the past 4 years.

Yup, true. I could only come up with 4 though. 2 Shafer and 2 Dino. Bryne or Clausman, Clark, and Clark, OSullivan...plus Nelson was arrested and booted.

Dino has had 10 players leave/exit.

4 transfers - LB Allison, LB Fagan, LB Walton, WR Butler,
1 flunk out - QB Amie,
2 out with injury since day 1; WR Hendrix, DL Okechukwu
1 early draft entrant WR Jackson.
2 medically DQd Clark and OSullivan
1 Akeem Dixon RB - I didn't count him but he got here for summer start and then left the program.

All pretty normal attrition except it's hard to absorb losing 3 linebackers; which is now where we're quite young and thin. You'd conceivably have 2 juniors and a soph with those 3. At one time Fagan and Allison were projected to be big contributors.

 

[SU94]

Every time a roster is mentioned I bring this up but blows my mind these teams have 85 players.

How many players are here four years and just never see the field?

Agreed. Reducing CFB rosters to 75 or so would seemingly also aid the sport's parity issue.
I love CFB, but there are essentially three Division 1 tiers:

• 15-16 Elite Programs (ND, OSU, PSU, Mich, Clemson, FSU, UF, Bama, LSU, UGA, Texas, OU, USC, Oregon, Wisky/Neb)
• The other 49-50 P5 programs
• All of G5

Time for some of the top-tier talent to sift down a notch of two.