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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 1331096, member: 4809"] so many of us feel exactly the same and dr.gross etal do not get it.---the tradition has been stiffed big time. they are always the orangemen to me --but i have said what you have said (but not as eloquently) for so long now, i cannot repeat it you have posted something that should be sent to the chancellor and gross. i suggested that the post standard do a poll on at least bringing the name orangemen back(what the hell do a poll on anything else). hell they don't even need a poll just do it. i am one of the long time fans that they have lost [/QUOTE]