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Message: [QUOTE="tep624, post: 1383154, member: 430"] It's undeniable that 10-37 (or 6-37 if you count GROB's lost wins lol) to 25-25 with two bowl wins is significant improvement. But 25-25 is still, by any measure, average. There were some peaks and valleys during his tenure, but on the whole, the program was average and I don't think that's a slight against Marrone. That's what he accomplished. I think when all is said and done, over the 4 GROB years vs the 4 Marrone years, GROB will have had about twice as many players that he recruited drafted. And that lines up with the argument that's been made often here - GROB was better at recruiting elite talent but not at recruiting quality depth or running a program, and Marrone was better at recruiting quality depth and running a program but was weak at recruiting elite talent. And his ability to recruit quality depth and run a program are the reason why he was 25-25. [/QUOTE]