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Message: [QUOTE="007, post: 1450138, member: 393"] How far from "truly pathetic" have we been the last 15 years? From the advent of the P5, there have only been 2 teams in that time that did not make an appearance in the Top 25. One is Indiana. Guess who the other one is. The math exercise you provided is irrelevant to the larger point I am trying to make. We are who we are at this point in time. The glory days are a distant memory. The program needs to string together a run of bowl appearances, deserved or not, just to start to get back some of the rep we lost a long time ago. That will also result in more practice time, and hopefully attract higher quality recruits. That's not going to come from getting smoked by LSU and not making a bowl by one game. Just like locking the gate to the dome doesn't make us hardnosed. Like it or not, winning is the most important thing for the program right now. [/QUOTE]